fast951

Let's see one installed and functioning on your car!

aixgelo78

I had this in my audi 2.7TT and you will see it in my 951 when its out of the body shop.

regards chris

ehall

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^from a guy who has owned his 951 sice April 2005.

aixgelo78

lol....you searched all my old posts...search some more and find out what else I bought. Do a full search before you start just scraping the top

ehall

Anyone can buy things. Make it work. The amount of experience, just with the posters on this thread alone, makes your sstatement about what you "bought" hilarious. Nice junk pile. lol

aixgelo78

get off the pipe pal, junk of pile? You wish, what would you buy instead. A hammer and a chisel

ehall

This will be wasted on you, but I'll try. You can buy the greatest freaking pile of parts on the planet, but they have to interface well, with proper tuning, or they are nothing but an expensive pile of junk. WTG on your expensive pile. MAke it work.

Chris White

No problem, Since I am a Leda Dealer I can help you out with this part of the deal.

Would you like the other three shocks to go with the first one?

Seriously – as I have mentioned many times before – what you are really buying with any engine management equipment is detailed knowledge of the installation and support. Does this ‘cheap’ price include unlimited support? If a unit fails and takes out an engine are you going to help the customer out with the costs? Will you handle the shipping back and forth if there is a warranty issue?

While I think that the power of this list to make group buys is generally a good thing when used to purchase items at wholesale pricing do not expect support, help or any assistance to be bundled along with the deal. Great for gauges, radiators and such – not so good of engine management stuff!

Chris White

DDP

Wow, would anyone do this?

RAD69

Unbelievable. It was worth the $18 just to read this thread. I am the one that helped convince aixgelo78 to get a 951. So naturally when he told me about the reaction to his post on this forum, I had to join and ultimately reply.

The funny thing is that I always loved the 951 and I wanted aixgelo78 to get one as he is one of those guys that does everything hardcore. He gets a car and does it right, sparing no expense. He always ends up with a car that others respect and admire. Usually - he tries to use his resources to help out the others in the clubs and forums too, making friends along the way (like me). Well, I did help convince him to get a 951 and I cannot wait to see it when he is done with it. Between all his connections, access to lifts, body shops, a chassis dyno, tuners, etc. it is sure to be one hell of a car. I cannot wait to get him out to VIR or Watkins Glen.

Back to the topic at hand. What is wrong with someone trying to put together a group buy? I agree that a respected, valuable member of the forum sells the same product. Does it not concern you that his first reaction is to threaten the other vendor providing the product and not just point out that his offering is more comprehensive? Aixgelo78 can get the product by itself, this is for people that prefer to save money and do it themselves. From what I can tell John is selling the same product at a premium to cover all of his costs of testing it, giving configuration assistance and unlimited support - that is great. Some people do not have the experience to get just the base product, some people do. Why is this cutting John's throat? Why is this forum against any competition? Must all vendors have a monopoly on their products? Why flame aixgelo78 and not simply post genuine concern it is a complicated product and suggest that the few hundred dollars for support may be worth it? Instead call him a scammer and tell him that he will never get his "pile of junk" running? Does anybody think it is funny that someone posts that aixgelo78 is trying to organize a group buy that violates the "no more than 10% above or below retail price" rule when John sells it for 67% over retail? Guys, cut aixgelo78 a break – if you do not want in, move on…

Rant over. Thank you for reading, I do not mean to offend anybody, especially John. It seems like you guys have a lot of knowledge in this close knit community, but you really should not beat up the newer community members like this. He may just end up a valuable asset... You never know.

lart951

Hi RAD69, If you have sometime left would you mind reading the next article please

http://www.rennlist.org/charter.htm

http://www.rennlist.org/list_etiquette.htm

TIA

Luis

special tool

Lucho - I am giving you a level 7 smack-down on that one.

RAD69

Yeah - most forums have similar rules, sometimes the rules are strict - somtimes they are flexible. He only asked about interest, I also think he emailed the administrator to ask how to do this properly in the event that there is enough interest.

Out of curisoity, why are you telling me this? I did not violate the rules, I am simply commenting on the other members' reaction to an innocent question posed by a friend...

WesM951

No offense to anyone. John or aixgelo78, this was totally blown out of perportion. I wonder what would of been said if aixgelo78 was a member?

Take a few steps back and breathe.

lart951

Intentionally or not, your friend was organizing an illegitimate group sale. He is not a member, nor a sponsor. It’s more than just cheap prices. It has to do more with integrity, support and sponsorship, and Vittesse has those 3.

TIA

Luis