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Old 07-02-2017 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bureau13
What headers are those?

MSDS - which is what he sells and are the only ones this x is made to fit.
Old 07-02-2017 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by M. Requin
It's going to be a few days before I have it up in the air again, but I'll take a few to post. Note: my comment was not an endorsement, but a single data point.
I appreciate that, thank you.
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Interesting...I have MSDS headers installed, and one of those x-pipes still in a box...I held it up and and seemed to match but I haven't actually tried to fit it yet. Crossing my fingers...

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MSDS - which is what he sells and are the only ones this x is made to fit.
Old 07-02-2017 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SeanR
What's wrong with that? Looks fine.

You should have seen the exhaust on this car that was shipped down to me. Oh wait, you have seen pics.
i know you are talking about my car
Old 07-02-2017 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BC
I tried fitting this on Saturday. If there was no one watching vm or email from the previous Thursday when the order sat on someone's desk while they jetted out to "Indy" until this last Tuesday, I'm not going to try real hard to go through that until a week day.

I havent decided what I will do yet. If ss304 can be bent with heat I can twist that side axially to fit but then I really won't be able to return even with the fing rediculous "20% restocking fee".

I have tried to heat/bend SS although it was 2x.25" flat stock. Not very complaint.

I think one option to consider if you don't want to go through the restock fee issue, is to have a shop section part of the pipe, bolt flange on and tack. Remove, weld, replace

I do not know enough about the vendor to make any other recommendation or comment about them.
Old 07-02-2017 | 11:45 PM
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Did you talk to Carl yet? I hope you didn't come to Rennlist and trash his products without doing that first.

I'd like to see a better picture of your headers from underneath to gauge how symmetrical they are. The ones you show look like one side is further toward the middle than the other.
Old 07-03-2017 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GlenL
Did you talk to Carl yet? I hope you didn't come to Rennlist and trash his products without doing that first.
That is exactly what I do, and will continue to do until such time I decide what the next steps are. I will say factually again, I am not an anomaly. I may be an ***, but I'm not an anomaly.

I'd like to see a better picture of your headers from underneath to gauge how symmetrical they are. The ones you show look like one side is further toward the middle than the other.
They are symmetrical.
Old 07-03-2017 | 06:18 AM
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Does it look like if you were to "flip" the x pipe over, would they line up the? Looking at the shape of the flanges on the bottom, seems like that might be worth a try....
Old 07-04-2017 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BC
That is exactly what I do, and will continue to do until such time I decide what the next steps are. I will say factually again, I am not an anomaly. I may be an ***, but I'm not an anomaly.
What happened to the let's give the seller a chance to fix the screw up before starting a thread? If it's a manufacturing error, there shouldn't be a restocking fee and I have a feeling Carl would think the same. Everyone makes a mistake, let him try to make it right before starting a bichn' fest. You were in sales before and I'm sure you know how this works.

Also, are you 100% sure your headers are MSDS and not some knock off that look like them?
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Originally Posted by voskian
Does it look like if you were to "flip" the x pipe over, would they line up the? Looking at the shape of the flanges on the bottom, seems like that might be worth a try....
Unfortunately it's not just a radial issue. It is also off at the angle of the pipe...
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Originally Posted by Imo000
What happened to the let's give the seller a chance to fix the screw up before starting a thread? If it's a manufacturing error, there shouldn't be a restocking fee and I have a feeling Carl would think the same. Everyone makes a mistake, let him try to make it right before starting a bichn' fest.

Also, are you 100% sure your headers are MSDS and not some knock off that look like them?
100% sure.
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Originally Posted by Imo000
What happened to the let's give the seller a chance to fix the screw up before starting a thread? If it's a manufacturing error, there shouldn't be a restocking fee and I have a feeling Carl would think the same. Everyone makes a mistake, let him try to make it right before starting a bichn' fest. You were in sales before and I'm sure you know how this works.

Also, are you 100% sure your headers are MSDS and not some knock off that look like them?
I tried this approach originally many years ago. I had to remove suspension from my car and reinstall 5 times and not a single one of his "fixes" worked. I told him that they didn't work and I wanted my money back. The moment you take it out of the box, even if defective, he will not take it back without a 20% restocking fee. So I pulled it out one more time and fixed it myself on the first try. Then I caught him blatantly lying to another member through an email list a very short period of time later saying he had never had problems with that product ever, and he couldn't understand why it wasn't working.

People can make honest mistakes. But that is not the case with this vender.
And it is not an oddity, it happens all the time.
Old 07-05-2017 | 12:36 AM
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Start it up... bet that would make one hell of a whistle.

One a serious note, sorry about the predicament. But thanks for your candor...

Jase.
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Some of you guys are awful quick to throw a Rennlist sponsor under the bus! How about ASKING FOR HELP rather than going all judge-and-jury right away?

The pictures that BC has posted do not quite make sense - our Header-X fits OUR headers. See installed pictures below.

But we stopped making standard-collector headers like those BC posted pictures of more than two years ago in preference to merged collector headers.

Our current headers look like this: https://928motorsports.com/parts/headers.php


Please identify the following and I would be happy to help you:

what is the year of your 928?
when were those headers manufactured (if you know)
and when did you purchase them?
did you purchase them directly from MSDS?
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Old 07-05-2017 | 12:42 PM
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This is what OUR headers and Header-X looks like, and I included a couple of pics from our final test-fit on a 928 engine before the
design was confirmed and it went into production.

You can see BC's headers are NOT our headers. Sorry.

Next time: If you want all your parts to fit together as advertised, buy them together as advertised.
ESPECIALLY when it comes to custom parts!
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