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Old 09-27-2016, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmerlin
you could buy my Swiss 1985 Euro,
its sorted out and my daily driver and its an auto trans,
not really anything to fix just drive it and change the oil.
14K its yours
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/5791523924.html
Do this and save yourself a ton of money, time and aggravation. Stan is a most excellent wrench on these cars and when he sells one all of the maintenance and critical issues have been addressed. The car will run well and be safe. Leaky PS line scares the crap out of me. Lot's of car fires when it ruptures.

You will spend at least $10k grand fixing the issues you indicate. And know there are many on this site who were initially adverse to driving and auto until they drove a 4spd auto 928. The car and shifts just work great.

Good luck with your search.
Old 09-27-2016, 12:25 PM
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I too have not seen that car before - and we know ALL the Michigan 928 guys. Heck I run the mi928.com website.

Interesting.

Who did the PPI? Munks in Waterford is probably the best shop for 928s in your neck of the woods. But Dave ^^^^ is also very qualified.
Old 09-27-2016, 12:57 PM
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twinreds, listen to these guys. They know what they are talking about.

I bought a nice 86.5 auto in April for $8500. It cost me $7100 to get her out of the repair bay of a 928 specialist for TB/WP job, as well as a host of other items. Since then, I have sunk at least another $5000 into her for deferred maintenance, repairs, etc...
I am a DIY guy, so that $5000 is all parts.

Get a GOOD look at the Brembo calipers. They like to corrode behind the spring plates.


Regardless of what you do, Good Luck!!!

Seth K. Pyle
Old 09-27-2016, 01:12 PM
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I say, buy it for $7500-8000, then send it to Stan to make a reliable for the next 10 yrs and be done with it. Beautiful CS wheels, paint, etc. If you don't want it, I know someone who does.
Old 09-27-2016, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by davek9
Never seen that one around here, what color cod is that?

For $10k if that's the original paint (not been in an accident/hit) it is well worth IMHO putting $10k into it and having a great car.
But that's just my take on it, an 86.5 5 spd is a nice one to have sorted out and easily to mod to make more power too.
Seen it on Craigslist this morning, figured it was the one he was looking at...but thought I'd let him give up that info. Looks pretty nice.

Brian.
Old 09-27-2016, 01:20 PM
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Most of these, as stated are pretty common issues.

1- Power steering lines are wet & feels weak.
Fairly straight forward job, albeit tight to get to.

2- Inner tie rods need replacement
You could train a monkey to do this one.

3- Transmission leaks? wet at torque tube to transmission rear
Two common leaking points. One seal inside torque tube I think can be replaced by dropping the tube and drive shaft. The other, below the torque tube I think is only accessible from inside the transmission. I would wipe the area down, top off with oil, and see how quickly it returns. likely just a weep that really does not need to be addressed until you're doing something else in the area more critical.

4- cam covers leaking
Common and not that big a deal to do.

5- Front blower not working
Blower motors are common failures and I believe Roger at 928sRus has replacement motors sourced from an Audi that drop in with minor modification.

6- A/C not working
Anything from compressor to leak in system. Does the car have rear AC? This could get into a costly repair to track down depending on why the system is not working.

7- Surges under load, possible misfire
to me, this one is the most troubling, even though it may be a simple fix. I hate trying to diagnose "rough running" conditions that have nebulous symptoms.

Honestly, you may not want to learn to work on it, but if you plan to be a long term 928 owner you will learn to do a basic amount of trouble shooting. These cars are not that complicated but they can nickel and dime you if you take it in every time something needs to be fixed/tracked down/checked.

This forum is incredibly helpful and there are DIY writeups for just about everything. Good luck. I understand the desire for a 5 speed. I held out until I found one. But Stan's is a good find and you'd be hard pressed to find a better owner to buy from.
Old 09-27-2016, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by z driver 88t
Most of these, as stated are pretty common issues. .......


4- cam covers leaking
Common and not that big a deal to do. ...................



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Actually not true for the 85-86 engines. It is and can be a very big job !!! The cam bolts screw into the heads of bolts that screw into the cylinder head. Often when the covers are first leaking someone tries tightening the bolts !! Then when the next person attempt to remove the bolts they shear of the heads on those bolts which screw into the cylinder heads. It is nearly impossible to remove the broken bolts along the lower part of the heads....it is also nearly impossible to remove the cylinder heads on an 85-86 in the car...so now the engine comes out of the car...once out of the car them the LONG LONG list of while you are in there begins....So a simple fix the cam cover leak becomes a HUGE undertaking as soon as the bolts start breaking. But once they do there is no going back.
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Originally Posted by James Bailey
it is also nearly impossible to remove the cylinder heads on an 85-86 in the car
I know this is a popular opinion but it's simply not true. I once asked my local tech about this (as he was doing head gaskets on an 86.5, engine in the car) and he said: "I guess I never got that memo".

He's done more than a couple.
Old 09-27-2016, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by James Bailey
Actually not true for the 85-86 engines. It is and can be a very big job !!! The cam bolts screw into the heads of bolts that screw into the cylinder head. Often when the covers are first leaking someone tries tightening the bolts !! Then when the next person attempt to remove the bolts they shear of the heads on those bolts which screw into the cylinder heads. It is nearly impossible to remove the broken bolts along the lower part of the heads....it is also nearly impossible to remove the cylinder heads on an 85-86 in the car...so now the engine comes out of the car...once out of the car them the LONG LONG list of while you are in there begins....So a simple fix the cam cover leak becomes a HUGE undertaking as soon as the bolts start breaking. But once they do there is no going back.
Agree if you have a cam cover bolt break your are up the creek and will be pulling the motor.

To the OP:
It will be all the WYAIT items that will clean out your pocket book. I would look for a fully sorted car or plan to spend a min of 10k on this one right away.
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
I know this is a popular opinion but it's simply not true. I once asked my local tech about this (as he was doing head gaskets on an 86.5, engine in the car) and he said: "I guess I never got that memo".

He's done more than a couple.
Yes I said NEARLY impossible....and yes some have done it. Chances of the OP finding such a mechanic is unlikely. And even if done in the car it is an expensive job given the full tbelt / intake refresh opportunity.
And Porsche after field testing the 85-86 4 valve engine in the USA market for two years opted to redesign the cam cover bolts and use head bolts rather than head studs to make cylinder head removal much easier for the 87-95 model 928s.
Old 09-27-2016, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hlee96
I say, buy it for $7500-8000, then send it to Stan to make a reliable for the next 10 yrs and be done with it. Beautiful CS wheels, paint, etc. If you don't want it, I know someone who does.
^^^ Whut he saided. ^^^

Price it in around $8-9k, drop it off at your preferred 928 master mech, write checks as needed and then go drive the spit out of it. Depending on your level of OCD, final bill will be between $16k and $24k all-in.
Old 09-27-2016, 06:53 PM
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The rims aren't clubsport rims, they're from a 944 turbo (7 inch wide fronts instead of 8 inch like the 928 version).

At the end of the day its only money.. if you like the car and want to save it, throw cash at it.. they're great cars when sorted.

The typical (regular servicing, no preventative maintenance) 32V 928 requires around $10k in parts not counting labor.. they're all old cars now, and all the hoses need replacing, along with a whole raft of other items.

The flip side is they're a really fun drive, look great, and are relatively practical as a DD.. so if you're into older cars, they're very hard to beat for smiles
Old 09-27-2016, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmerlin
buy it, and send it to a good 928 specialist, and write a check,
2 months later you should have a non issue machine that will rival the reds in your driveway.
If money can fix a problem then use it
What Stan said...

There are many to choose from in your part of the world (makes me rather jealous!!!) however, what does choice matter when this one has caught your eye, right?

So... as you have said, you have the budget, and there is no reason why a good mechanic (a good one alluded to here...) cannot have it "reliable" for you over a short time, so you can do what it was built for drive the #@#t out of it. We are a long time... So why procrastinate!

Oh and those two in your drive look fantastic, will certainly be complimented with the 928.
Old 09-27-2016, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by davek9
For $10k if that's the original paint (not been in an accident/hit) it is well worth IMHO putting $10k into it and having a great car.
But that's just my take on it, an 86.5 5 spd is a nice one to have sorted out and easily to mod to make more power too.
This is also my take given the "if" above.

But if you are not going to do any DIY maintenance, that 10K better be spent with somebody like Stan, which means extra for shipping costs. It might also be a little more than 10K.
Old 09-27-2016, 09:32 PM
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it would be less expensive to buy my 85 Euro, and drive it home today.
The 5 speed is fun for a few days, and weekends.
but if your using the car in stop and go driving everyday ,
the clutch and shifting gets old real fast,
I had a 85 Euro 5 speed and it was 1 to 3... stop, 1 to 3.... stop, 1 to 3.... stop.
I skipped second to save the syncro.

Yawn...
Now take the 5 speed car to the track different story,
well it feels like a different story as your more engaged in making cool noises.
but the auto can also be shifted like a stick, it just takes some practice.

The Swiss auto gets up and goes, its a 2.73 gearset, starts off in first and if you stand on it,
it will spin the tires into second.
all you have to do is step on the gas,
the brakes are very nice EBC Redstuff low dust and great street performance,
The new master cylinder and SS flex lines and shocks make the ride very sweet,yada, yada, yada.

The nicest thing about sorting one of these machines is that if you go deep enough and refresh all of the systems you really are driving what you might call a brand new 30 year old car,
its an expensive collection of parts.

That car you found looks nice, and with a injection of cash could be brought back up to reliable driver status


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