California Roadside Smog Inspections
07-20-2016, 07:35 PM
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So, in summary, forget about all emissions produced by cars, and focus on capping the volcanoes, factories, jets, airplanes, field burning, forest fires, lawn mowers, chimney's , recycle plant fires and nuclear holocausts.
Dont even go electric car on me!!!
Dont even go electric car on me!!!
07-20-2016, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
So, in summary, forget about all emissions produced by cars, and focus on capping the volcanoes, factories, jets, airplanes, field burning, forest fires, lawn mowers, chimney's , recycle plant fires and nuclear holocausts.
Dont even go electric car on me!!!
Dont even go electric car on me!!!
Actually, cow farts are the single biggest source of emissions......
Oh, and for electric cars and it depends where the electricity comes from and what type of batteries.... It's not as simple as that... My dad built power plants for a living... And I sold off bits of my clean tech startup so I'm familiar with the LCOE and cost of storage as well as end to end footprint of many components including batteries..
MK Smart ***, yes, smart....?
You left that door open so I had to kick in a goal...
07-20-2016, 07:47 PM
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yeah... i deserved that..... good shot by the way!! too easy!
( but yes, i forgot cow farts)
Oh yes the coal power cespool electric cars. like an outhouse... clean on the outside, but ..............
the nasty waste and power just to make the batteries is staggaring, not to mention where the electricity comes from.
( but yes, i forgot cow farts)
Oh yes the coal power cespool electric cars. like an outhouse... clean on the outside, but ..............
the nasty waste and power just to make the batteries is staggaring, not to mention where the electricity comes from.
If that's what you get from what I wrote then I'll give you a pair of glasses....!
Actually, cow farts are the single biggest source of emissions......
Oh, and for electric cars and it depends where the electricity comes from and what type of batteries.... It's not as simple as that... My dad built power plants for a living... And I sold off bits of my clean tech startup so I'm familiar with the LCOE and cost of storage as well as end to end footprint of many components including batteries..
MK Smart ***, yes, smart....?
You left that door open so I had to kick in a goal...
Actually, cow farts are the single biggest source of emissions......
Oh, and for electric cars and it depends where the electricity comes from and what type of batteries.... It's not as simple as that... My dad built power plants for a living... And I sold off bits of my clean tech startup so I'm familiar with the LCOE and cost of storage as well as end to end footprint of many components including batteries..
MK Smart ***, yes, smart....?
You left that door open so I had to kick in a goal...
07-21-2016, 01:09 AM
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I think that some of the backlash comes from the outrageous enforcement charges levied in relation to the exposure. Frex; Fueling your sand buggy in Glamis from a racing dump can has cost several people $10,000 fines. Or, a quarter million dollar fine for selling gallons of windshield washer fluid which had 1% more VOC than allowed by the state.
This kind of stuff sort of smacks of motivation for money gain rather than the objective of keeping the state cleaner.
This kind of stuff sort of smacks of motivation for money gain rather than the objective of keeping the state cleaner.
If you dont like the fine, dont do the thing.
And everyone that does it, knows theyre doing it. You dont get to whine about the fine you knew about later.
07-21-2016, 01:12 AM
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and your point is??
that vet, 1/2lb of pollution every mile it drives? so, in 12 miles it takes that entire gallon of gas and turns it into pure pollution?
what does your car produce.
you say that in 20,000miles you make near the same pollution as the vet in 1000miles, so as far as a carbon footprint, you guys are even..maybe his bang for the mile is the same as yours.
If we really break this down.... we all agree we need standards for emission control for our planet. why dont we get rid of smoking... burning fields, heck, we should also plug up alll the volcanos too.... where do you stop. no more racing cars???
we all have our comfort zone of what is acceptable and most of us are hypocrites.
personally, we all should have a limit of what we can produce per year, sans occupational requirements. if i can only drive my car 1000miles per year without smog stuff, ill deal with it.
most cars go into closed loop when floored, so should there be a cap on that to?
the entire regulation system needs an overhaul
that vet, 1/2lb of pollution every mile it drives? so, in 12 miles it takes that entire gallon of gas and turns it into pure pollution?
what does your car produce.
you say that in 20,000miles you make near the same pollution as the vet in 1000miles, so as far as a carbon footprint, you guys are even..maybe his bang for the mile is the same as yours.
If we really break this down.... we all agree we need standards for emission control for our planet. why dont we get rid of smoking... burning fields, heck, we should also plug up alll the volcanos too.... where do you stop. no more racing cars???
we all have our comfort zone of what is acceptable and most of us are hypocrites.
personally, we all should have a limit of what we can produce per year, sans occupational requirements. if i can only drive my car 1000miles per year without smog stuff, ill deal with it.
most cars go into closed loop when floored, so should there be a cap on that to?
the entire regulation system needs an overhaul
80% of the problem is easy to manage.
The last 20% is a bitch.
So we do what we can, and what is reasonable.
07-21-2016, 01:13 AM
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isnt that simillar to almost ALL cars today. you floor a CTSV and watch the wall of smoke out the tail pipe as it releases its 600hp... but around town and on the 20mph dyno rollers in closed loop mode, it burns as clean as the driven snow. the entire subject is a complete JOKE. made to make people feel good. stupid and a waste of our money and resources.
07-21-2016, 01:22 AM
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Actually...
https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/oceanvessels.htm
Every corner of the world is now regulating clean air zones in their waters for purposes of public health.
Handy map of the limited area around the US that this applies to.
https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/regs/nonro.../420f10015.pdf
https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/oceanvessels.htm
Every corner of the world is now regulating clean air zones in their waters for purposes of public health.
Handy map of the limited area around the US that this applies to.
https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/regs/nonro.../420f10015.pdf
07-21-2016, 01:26 AM
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Volcano: 20
Factories: 80
Jets: 80
Airplanes: Piston Driven, 20
field burning: 80
Fires: 20
Mowers: 80
Chimneys: 80
Fires again..do you proofread: 20
All of the 80s are regulated already.
07-21-2016, 02:34 AM
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I been in Long Beach with my ship (37000mt Chemical tanker) and in my opinion California pollution law is a heap of s**t. Reason for it is that they have a spotter in a tower checking smoke from the ships and if you have visible smoke coming out for more than a few seconds you get fined. On departure we had 2 tugboats to assist and noticed a huge plume of smoke from them for some time. Asked the pilot if that's ok and the answer was "No problem, the tugs are owned by the state and the can do what they want".
If the "state" can't lead by example then they aren't worth s**t in my mind.
07-21-2016, 06:24 AM
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For big ships there smog rules that we have to switch over to low sulphur MGO (Marine Gas Oil) instead of High Sulphur HFO (Heavy Fuel Oil). Still not very clean though.
I been in Long Beach with my ship (37000mt Chemical tanker) and in my opinion California pollution law is a heap of s**t. Reason for it is that they have a spotter in a tower checking smoke from the ships and if you have visible smoke coming out for more than a few seconds you get fined. On departure we had 2 tugboats to assist and noticed a huge plume of smoke from them for some time. Asked the pilot if that's ok and the answer was "No problem, the tugs are owned by the state and the can do what they want".
If the "state" can't lead by example then they aren't worth s**t in my mind.
I been in Long Beach with my ship (37000mt Chemical tanker) and in my opinion California pollution law is a heap of s**t. Reason for it is that they have a spotter in a tower checking smoke from the ships and if you have visible smoke coming out for more than a few seconds you get fined. On departure we had 2 tugboats to assist and noticed a huge plume of smoke from them for some time. Asked the pilot if that's ok and the answer was "No problem, the tugs are owned by the state and the can do what they want".
If the "state" can't lead by example then they aren't worth s**t in my mind.
Yours, or closer to real diesel?
The difference is in there.
07-21-2016, 06:39 AM
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One thing for sure, they don't use LPG.
07-21-2016, 11:13 AM
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Sure all of those industries listed are "regulated" but are they enforced? If you honestly think they are enforced at the same level as consumers and their automobiles you are sadly mistaken. Companies figure into their annual budget the fines they will receive for not being in compliance, it's still cheaper than complying. Nobody cares as long as the checks clear, even in the all perfect state of California. A state which asks citizens to double up on showers to save water........
As regulations tighten on those factories you listed, they just move another batch of factories to China. It's their problem for now....... and all those cheering about the cleaner air do so while tweeting on their device manufactured in one of those gross polluting Chinese factories.
Nobody (except maybe Kibort) is advocating we go back to leaded gas with no catalytic converters. But the fact remains any further regulations to "clean up" passenger vehicles is simply a tax on the working class. These are "feel good" measures so CARB and other associated bodies can justify their existence.
Don't give me this BS about how much cleaner ships are, they are still gross polluters compared to every car on the road in California. What a crock!!!
I spent two weeks in SoCal last October and laughed at every dump trunk or construction vehicle I passed chugging down the highway with a plume of black smoke out the pipe....oh...it's CLEAN diesel. Have another sip of the coolaid....
Don't get me started on the environmental studies based on the "number of registered vehicles"... Think about that for a second. How many of us have more than one car? All of us? How many can we drive at once????
Lastly:
“In a single typical NASCAR race weekend, with more than 40 cars at high speeds for 500 miles (804 kilometers) — plus practice laps — at 5 mpg of gas, you're looking at, conservatively, about 6,000 gallons (22,712 liters) of fuel
If the greeno's were serious about this and not driven by money, NASCAR would be running LP or banned outright for being a gross polluting public nuisance. Oh wait....they went to unleaded gas so it's all OK now.
Yes I'm fully aware the day is coming of 50 state compliance and when that happens, I've giving up on the car hobby and buying a sailboat. I'm not kidding either, the only reason why I don't own a sailboat anymore is the time I spend with my cars (I simply don't have time for both).
They will win becasue too may people line up like sheep and take it.
It won't be all bad, I like Tesla's.
That's a good one, a state owned, Union controlled tug-boat is a model for clean air. Remind me again how the Prius is such a saver of society as land is strip mined outside of any clean regulations to dig up the rare earths needed for the batteries.
In high school I drove a Honda CRX HF (high fuel) - I averaged upper 40's in daily driving and over 50 down the highway. Today a new Honda Civic is 31c/42h - yup, that's progress!!!!!! But lets hammer down on people with hobby cars that are no 100% as clean as a modern vehicle.
Wake me up when my friends triple V8 supercharged powered boat is forced to install CATS and pass a fuel economy standard.
07-21-2016, 01:54 PM
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I'm gonna go load up my piston plane with LEADED avgas and fly circles around LA with the mixture at full RICH. I would guess that will burn about 20 gallons of fuel, including LEAD with no cat, obviously because -- it's all legal!
What US location is the mecca for light aircraft operation? SoCal. Muuuahahahhahaha. If you only knew what kind of dreck that planes rain down on you every day, it would blow the top of your head off. But - oh no, a guy on the eastern end of CA, prevailing wind to the east, with a gas can and a dune buggy is creating $10,000 worth of damage to the air. Right - get over yourself.