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Old 04-30-2016, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD

The simple fact remains....many are missing and the result is a direct 1/2" oil path from filler neck to intake.

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Is that why the GTS breather system is such a basket case? They routed it via the top of the filler neck after the baffle in the [futile?] hope that there was sufficient volume for disengagement of entrained oil?

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I don't think that valve is a US-style PCV in the sense that the the flow rate would be inversely related to the pressure differential. It's my understanding that the US style PCV valve gives a small orifice with high manifold vacuum and a large orifice with low manifold vacuum. That 928 safety valve seems to be just a regular one-way valve with a cracking pressure of about 90 millibars.

Not having that "de-icer" or safety valve in the S4 models is, in my opinion, a bad idea.

...which brings the question why did they do away with it in GTS? That hose breathes openly from the filler neck into the MAF elbow in the GTS without any check valve. Seems like they had a lot of fate in the higher port in the filler neck resulting in a lot less oil mist in the crankcase gas. I think that the higher pickup location is good, I use it, but is it really that much better? ;-) Reading dead people's minds is difficult.
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Originally Posted by FredR
Is that why the GTS breather system is such a basket case? They routed it via the top of the filler neck after the baffle in the [futile?] hope that there was sufficient volume for disengagement of entrained oil?

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Pretty obvious that the "first line" engineers were not involved in the 928 program by the time of the GTS models.
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Originally Posted by ptuomov
I don't think that valve is a US-style PCV in the sense that the the flow rate would be inversely related to the pressure differential. It's my understanding that the US style PCV valve gives a small orifice with high manifold vacuum and a large orifice with low manifold vacuum. That 928 safety valve seems to be just a regular one-way valve with a cracking pressure of about 90 millibars.

Not having that "de-icer" or safety valve in the S4 models is, in my opinion, a bad idea.

...which brings the question why did they do away with it in GTS? That hose breathes openly from the filler neck into the MAF elbow in the GTS without any check valve. Seems like they had a lot of fate in the higher port in the filler neck resulting in a lot less oil mist in the crankcase gas. I think that the higher pickup location is good, I use it, but is it really that much better? ;-) Reading dead people's minds is difficult.
Don't forget that the left the oil return paths from the oil control rings out, which seems like it was an effort to reduce crankcase pressure....tough to think of any other reason for that idiocy.
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
Pretty obvious that the "first line" engineers were not involved in the 928 program by the time of the GTS models.
Indeed- I figured that one out by the time I realised that I had been a dumb *** when converting my S4 breather system to the GTS variant [so it looked like a GTS motor- durrgh!] and oil consumption went south. Worse still when I modified the filler neck I kept the GTS item and modified the S4 neck!

How that check valve in the S4 filler neck body can help anything breath is beyond me given how small it is.

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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
Don't forget that the left the oil return paths from the oil control rings out, which seems like it was an effort to reduce crankcase pressure....tough to think of any other reason for that idiocy.
Yes, I agree that there are a lot of curious design decisions in the GTS. It's as if they threw all they got into the initial '87 S4 design and then when the sales tapered down faster than expected and the company fell on hard times, they didn't have the budget to do the GTS engine design properly.

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Has anybody sourced a suitable replacement for the NLA check valve?



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