May I politely suggest everyone stands back for a minute. Unless I am missing something I see nothing that establishes that we have a "victim" yet alone anything untoward here.

All Mark [Anderson] said in his post was that the motor is "not a new one" presumably as a correction to earlier [doubtless well intended] but incorrect posts. He did not say the new owner was expecting a new motor but if such were to be the case, then the obvious thing to establish would be "on what basis". Anyone who buys a motor without knowing its provenance as I am concerned is somewhat lacking in wisdom. That Herman presented this item "looking like a new motor" is not a crime any more than valeting a car before you put it up for sale.

For what it is worth I would say that Herman is a very talented and probably a somewhat understated sort of individual who likes to let his work speak for itself. If the motor is a bag of crap then maybe some critique would be fair but I would not mind a bet that it is as good on the inside as it looks on the outside and I did not read his ad as intimating this motor was new.

In law the sequence of events is commit a crime, investigate what happened, establish what crime was committed, search for the perps, arrest, trial, sentencing and then execution. Unless I am mistaken the first milestone has yet to be established.


Rgds

Fred

 

While I agree that no harm was done in the filming of this thread, I have to agree with Greg on this. It could have been corrected just for posterity.

I also doubt that the price paid was based on it being a new motor. Anyone with that much extra cash and knowledge of cars at all would do their due diligence. If not, there would have been repercussions already.

 

Let me say one more thing....before this spirals out of control.

Regardless of what was actually in the crate, I personally feel that Herman's asking price was very fair....

I'm not remotely saying that there was a "victim" here....or even alluding to that.

I just believe in keeping things as perfectly clear as possible. A simple "correction" when the two posts were made about the engine being brand new, would have been a good thing to do, in my opinion.....I personally like it better when things are made as clear as possible.....my opinion!

Other than a "truthism" about Democrats, that was it....

Try not make to make a Federal case out of what wasn't said.

 

Well, I feel bad now ... I was one who characterized the engine in this thread based on how I remember it being referred to as a 'crate' engine, which I've always thought meant being new ... but with no real knowledge about it. I am sure Herman correctly described it and was completely transparent in all his interactions with the buyer.

So sorry if I contributed to unnecessary controversy and my offer still stands to store it under the hood of my GTS if the new owner needs a place to keep it ;-)

 

Call me a purist, but I don't see how reasonable argument can be made that an enthusiast community like ours isn't best served by total transparency of its core members.


I don't think Tom is wrong in his conclusion; my understanding would be the same that a crate motor is factory new. A friend bought a few Ferrari crate motors (512M, titanium rods and all) and they had the complete compliment of accessories run by the belts. So impressive!


As such, I was excited to see what many expected to see, a Porsche 928 GTS crate motor.


Whatever led to that misunderstanding and all of the postings we have recently seen in this thread could have been averted if Greg's reasonable advice above had been taken.


My main interest is in the reputation of our community, I hope we all respect that a good reputation is a great quality and the diminishment of it hurts us all.

 

Couple of good points being made thus far and I just want to add that it should never be the responsibility of the thread starter to read other people's minds.

Herman's ad was 100% transparent.

If you guys who believe that our community suffers as a result of posts going un-corrected, then I ask you to think about this : communication is a 2-way street. Why did you not confirm your expectations prior to purchase? Why wait to confirm expectations until after the sale?

What some of you are asking of the community is not attainable : you're asking for transparency well beyond 100%... In fact what you're setting up is a situation where the seller will always be at fault because the seller did not understand your expectations.

Do you see the irony here? Its a catch 22...

Mike

P.S. I think the buyer got a smoking deal and I'm envious LOL

 

An extremely classy response.

The motor was never described by the seller as either new, or a "crate motor".

I completely agree.

 

Tom,

You have absolutely nothing to feel bad about or apologise for- the only people who do not make mistakes are the one's that do nothing.

However it is not fair that you should claim any rights to have this motor under your beautiful bonnet whilst I have to make do with a S4 motor in my GTS chassis!

I note there are still no indications that the new owner was expecting a brand new engine or misunderstood in any way what had been purchased yet alone how such an aspiration might have been arrived at.

Rgds

Fred

 

FS: New crate, engine- 1987 $2,500

 

Is the crate really new, or was it used once?

 

if two people said " that's a screaming deal for a new engine" I would feel the need to say no just the crate is new.
Was my description accurate? Yes. Just not crystal clear

 

Two posters after Herman ASSUMED the engine was new or a crate engine. Herman was under no oblication to correct someone with poor reading skills or incorrect assumptions. What he posted was 100% accurate. If Greg Brown had to correct every post Mark Kibort did then we would NEVER have any of his great engines.

I see it all the time; someone asks a question of the original poster without throughly reading the post. Usually some wise *** tells him the answer was in a previous post.

 

So Jim how would you have felt if you found out about the major fire my GTS had after I sold it to you? Could I say " well you never asked if it nearly burnt to the ground"?

 

How would he have not found out about the major fire your GTS had after you sold it to him? Was it not in his possession at this time if my reading comprehension is correct?🤓

 

No I bought it after the fire and restored it. When I was selling it to Jim I showed him the before and after pictures