svpmx83

if anyone is looking for insight on how OCD Mr Dickinson really is and why the Singers are what they are - buy the book

http://singervehicledesign.com/one-more-than-10/

worf928

Sure can't hurt.

911user

Hanging out with the Singer Porsche and other Big guys!

sprfrkr

I spoke to a tech at a local Porsche dealer here and I was commenting how I thought I could build a Singer clone for under $100K and he commented that he though he could do the same- until he saw one in person. He commented that they are surprisingly worth the money they get for them.

I always try to envision what a Singer 928 would look like, and can't seem to come up with anything that approaches what their 911s look like.

hacker-pschorr

Same here, it will be interesting to see what direction they go.

The Singers I've seen are "period style" restoration starting with a 964 chassis. Not sure how else to describe them.....

I'm not sure how that applies in any way to a 928 unless they just do an over the top bespoke restoration of a 78 - which would be very cool to see.

Imo000

Take a '78, stuff the drivetrain from a GTS under it, flare the rear fenders and keep the interrior stock '78. That's basically what they do anyways, isn't it? They take the best performance parts from other year 911s and stuff them in a chassis that never came with one.

hacker-pschorr

The engine they use is still based on the 964 3.4 liter worked over by Cosworth.

I'd be very disappointed in them if they put a 32V motor into an early car. If they ship a 16V to Cosworth with the instructions: "Money is no object" the results will be very interesting. Especially if they try to keep a "period correct" looking intake.

The latest Singer engine is producing 97.5hp/liter from an air cooled N/A 6. I see no reason why an outfit like Cosworth couldn't crank out similar numbers with a 928 engine.

James Bailey

Nope they realized it was easier to start with a complete later 1990s 911 C-2 and simply redress it with the 1966-1973 long hood and fenders and rear bumpers. Thus the nostalgia looks with 3.6 liter engine, updated transaxles better brakes ABS etc. air cond if you wish.
So comparable is take a GTS and fit 78 fenders and front and rear covers and Pasha covered racing buckets. Then offer an upgrade to a 6.4 liter stroker. And paint it one of the crayon bright solid 1970s colors....Voila you have a retro-mod. That actually sounds like fun

hacker-pschorr

Therein lies the confusion on a 928 Singer. The chassis difference between a 78 to 95 is insignificant to nonexistent compared to a 63-95 911. The beauty of a Singer 928 is they can start with any chassis and accomplish something great.

6.4 liter? Why go that big.... Their largest 911 engine is .67 liters per cylinder which equates to a 5.36 liter 928 engine producing over 500hp.

Impossible? If anyone can pull it off it's Cosworth. The sky is the limit when you can re-work everything with no budget.

77tony

and the entire shell is redone in $$$ CF. T

James Bailey

Nope just the fenders hood rear bumper...they use the stock steel unibody and doors I believe according to most articles. And the new 4.0 engine builder is Ed Pink Racing Engines....who on their website is trying to hire an experienced Porsche racing engine builder.

Imo000

Well if they used a later model engine in the 911 Singer as a base then why not do the same with the 928. Start with the 32V engine and make it better. Why start with a handicap?

77tony

I'm sure your right James. Glanced thru this some time ago :http://www.total911.com/singer-vehicle-design/

hacker-pschorr

They use a 964 chassis and 964 engine.

It's only a guess what they will do and I'm sure it's going to be based on the customers wishes.
My only point is if they are building a 928 in the same vein as their current 911's, the core of the project is simple and lightweight....which is NOT the 32V engine (not saying the 16V is light, but it is lighter....)

They are pumping out 97.5hp/liter with a two valve normally aspirated air cooled 911 engine. If they are capable of producing similar power numbers with a 16V (and that meets their power goals) why go more complex and heavier?

Hadicap? Who needs 32-valves? GM sells an LS based 16-valve pushrod crate motor making over 100hp/liter.


I'm not saying they absolutely will not do a 32V, in my opinion the build would be cooler with a 16V.


Think about this....the new replica car law will allow a company like Singer to produce a carbon fiber 928 tub and sell it as a brand new 928 turn key replica.

Tony

would be a cool partnership!