New MAF...WOW!!!!!!!!
09-19-2003, 11:49 AM
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John Speake,
I for 1 an glad fellow shark owners found a good deal for once! Sorry to bitch but 'some' of the parts on these sharks are so over priced its sickening. My boss, girlfriend and other friends give me hell because of what it costs to repair a shark or keep it running. Everytime the car breaks down I get asked by someone if "I'm going to sell it." As if buying a Porsche is an expensive mistake as they view it.
These parts aren't made out of gold but priced like they are. For instance radiator $1,200. WTF? The list goes on and on.
If the 'big three' would lower prices on some of these items more people wouldn't have to part out their 928 when a major part goes out. Because many times people can't afford to continue to keep putting money into it and sell it for parts. I know others that would buy a 928 but won't because they know how expensive these parts are. Part that on regular cars cost 1/4 of the price.
I think what is pissing off dealers about this stuff being cheap on Ebay. Is the dealers not buying them all up cheap, jacking up the price 400% and reselling them to make a buck. They are only pissed you guys beat them to it.
Before anyone lectures me about Porsche being expensive and out of reach for most people and what not I know that, I know that , I know that. But the expense also factors in to devalues the hell out of 928s.
Good for all you that bought one and it worked out for you. I wish they had one for my car. I know you all spent thousands in the past on your Porsches and for once you saved a few hundred bucks. Go take your wife and kids out for dinner tonight.
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John, I'm not harping on you for bitching this will hurt your business, just merely making an observation. Thanks for evening dealing in the parts biz and helping us keep old sharks on the road.
I for 1 an glad fellow shark owners found a good deal for once! Sorry to bitch but 'some' of the parts on these sharks are so over priced its sickening. My boss, girlfriend and other friends give me hell because of what it costs to repair a shark or keep it running. Everytime the car breaks down I get asked by someone if "I'm going to sell it." As if buying a Porsche is an expensive mistake as they view it.
These parts aren't made out of gold but priced like they are. For instance radiator $1,200. WTF? The list goes on and on.
If the 'big three' would lower prices on some of these items more people wouldn't have to part out their 928 when a major part goes out. Because many times people can't afford to continue to keep putting money into it and sell it for parts. I know others that would buy a 928 but won't because they know how expensive these parts are. Part that on regular cars cost 1/4 of the price.
I think what is pissing off dealers about this stuff being cheap on Ebay. Is the dealers not buying them all up cheap, jacking up the price 400% and reselling them to make a buck. They are only pissed you guys beat them to it.
Before anyone lectures me about Porsche being expensive and out of reach for most people and what not I know that, I know that , I know that. But the expense also factors in to devalues the hell out of 928s.
Good for all you that bought one and it worked out for you. I wish they had one for my car. I know you all spent thousands in the past on your Porsches and for once you saved a few hundred bucks. Go take your wife and kids out for dinner tonight.
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John, I'm not harping on you for bitching this will hurt your business, just merely making an observation. Thanks for evening dealing in the parts biz and helping us keep old sharks on the road.
09-19-2003, 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Red UFO
John Speake,
These parts aren't made out of gold but priced like they are. For instance radiator $1,200. WTF? The list goes on and on.
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I know others that would buy a 928 but won't because they know how expensive these parts are. Part that on regular cars cost 1/4 of the price.
...
Before anyone lectures me about Porsche being expensive and out of reach for most people and what not I know that, I know that , I know that. But the expense also factors in to devalues the hell out of 928s.
John Speake,
These parts aren't made out of gold but priced like they are. For instance radiator $1,200. WTF? The list goes on and on.
...
I know others that would buy a 928 but won't because they know how expensive these parts are. Part that on regular cars cost 1/4 of the price.
...
Before anyone lectures me about Porsche being expensive and out of reach for most people and what not I know that, I know that , I know that. But the expense also factors in to devalues the hell out of 928s.
For example - from an ad in Panorama this month from a national supplier:
CV Joints...
911 = $69-74
944 = $55
930 = $79
928 = $94!!!
John - I look forward to your new developments...and it is likely that I (and MANY others here on the list) will purchase from you.
09-19-2003, 12:26 PM
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Mark,
I think you could order parts on the Space Shuttle cheapier than for a 928.
I just bought a few parts from 1 of the big three a few minutes ago. I would have bought more items but couldn't fathom paying $120.00 for a couple small pieces of plastic. I'll wait until I see something parted out here or on Ebay. I mean for Christs sake its plastic, not some rare mineral mined from the surface of the moon.
If these 928 dealers cut 30% off their prices they sure would move alot more products and I don't think it will put them out of business. It might cut down the big three owners from buying and racing more 928 GT and 911s on the weekend. Sure there is a song and dance about how these cars aren't made anymore, the parts aren't marked up that much, yadda, yadda, yoda. Cracker please....
Whats more marked up? A $18 dollar CD or 928 parts?
I think you could order parts on the Space Shuttle cheapier than for a 928.
I just bought a few parts from 1 of the big three a few minutes ago. I would have bought more items but couldn't fathom paying $120.00 for a couple small pieces of plastic. I'll wait until I see something parted out here or on Ebay. I mean for Christs sake its plastic, not some rare mineral mined from the surface of the moon.
If these 928 dealers cut 30% off their prices they sure would move alot more products and I don't think it will put them out of business. It might cut down the big three owners from buying and racing more 928 GT and 911s on the weekend. Sure there is a song and dance about how these cars aren't made anymore, the parts aren't marked up that much, yadda, yadda, yoda. Cracker please....
Whats more marked up? A $18 dollar CD or 928 parts?
09-19-2003, 12:34 PM
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Emailed Juan, the seller of the cheap MAFs. Set up a purchase, and asked for an invoice before sending PayPal payment. Two days later, two emails later, no response from the seller.
Has anyone had a similar experience with him?
Has anyone had a similar experience with him?
09-19-2003, 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Jadz928
Emailed Juan, the seller of the cheap MAFs. Set up a purchase, and asked for an invoice before sending PayPal payment. Two days later, two emails later, no response from the seller.
Has anyone had a similar experience with him?
Emailed Juan, the seller of the cheap MAFs. Set up a purchase, and asked for an invoice before sending PayPal payment. Two days later, two emails later, no response from the seller.
Has anyone had a similar experience with him?
I think that the seller is probably cleaning out his email from the go-zillion shark owners wanting the MAF!
09-19-2003, 12:46 PM
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How does the MAF help out the shark anyway?
Mine is taking longer and longer to turn over when cold. It used to start right up, but now I have to hold it and it cranks 3 times and I need to step on the gas pedal.
Mine is taking longer and longer to turn over when cold. It used to start right up, but now I have to hold it and it cranks 3 times and I need to step on the gas pedal.
09-19-2003, 01:06 PM
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First off, a big thanks to Mark on the find.
Jim, I email Juan yesterday and setup a purchase. He said he had one more available. (true? I dunno) I will be sending him the money today.
John Speake, I admire and commend all of you that have taken on the task of helping us keep our sharks on the road and considering what the prices are from the dealership as well as availability and knowledge. I think you and the big 3 are a bargain at this point and time. Considering the price, I would bet that if you called at least 2 of the Big 3 (I have only dealt with 2 of them) and told them what you found, they would tell you to jump all over it and that is why 90% of the money that is put into my shark will go to them.
Keep the deals coming
Jim, I email Juan yesterday and setup a purchase. He said he had one more available. (true? I dunno) I will be sending him the money today.
John Speake, I admire and commend all of you that have taken on the task of helping us keep our sharks on the road and considering what the prices are from the dealership as well as availability and knowledge. I think you and the big 3 are a bargain at this point and time. Considering the price, I would bet that if you called at least 2 of the Big 3 (I have only dealt with 2 of them) and told them what you found, they would tell you to jump all over it and that is why 90% of the money that is put into my shark will go to them.
Keep the deals coming
09-19-2003, 01:13 PM
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John--
Take this, and a grain of salt, and call me in the morning if the condition persists...
If your last name happened to be Gates, you'd be there with your American Express card out, buying up the whole lot. You could then resell at your own price and schedule, protect the maket from these fly-by-nite flash-in-the-pan one-nite-stand suppliers. And add extended Java compatibility and a new 'tested with Windows' sticker to the box. ;-)
Except for one or maybe two responders so far, the rest seem to be buying them only because they are so cheap. So two sales lost among several suppliers doesn't seem such a big impact on you. Less than one unit.
All that said, I fully appreciate the services you are providing on the MAF units and the various sensors. For many, the parts swapping method of sensor and ECU diagnostics is expensive. Making 'test' sensors available is a very welcome relief from a lot of those costs.
I have a '88 ECU module that was donated to me by a thoughtful ex-928 owner. Can that unit be made to replace the original in my '89 S4? I think I read that it will run the car OK, I was thinking about the diagnostic stuff. Unit is non-op right now, so it needs a bit of your magic to anyway.
What's the best way to get this done?
Thanks!
Take this, and a grain of salt, and call me in the morning if the condition persists...
If your last name happened to be Gates, you'd be there with your American Express card out, buying up the whole lot. You could then resell at your own price and schedule, protect the maket from these fly-by-nite flash-in-the-pan one-nite-stand suppliers. And add extended Java compatibility and a new 'tested with Windows' sticker to the box. ;-)
Except for one or maybe two responders so far, the rest seem to be buying them only because they are so cheap. So two sales lost among several suppliers doesn't seem such a big impact on you. Less than one unit.
All that said, I fully appreciate the services you are providing on the MAF units and the various sensors. For many, the parts swapping method of sensor and ECU diagnostics is expensive. Making 'test' sensors available is a very welcome relief from a lot of those costs.
I have a '88 ECU module that was donated to me by a thoughtful ex-928 owner. Can that unit be made to replace the original in my '89 S4? I think I read that it will run the car OK, I was thinking about the diagnostic stuff. Unit is non-op right now, so it needs a bit of your magic to anyway.
What's the best way to get this done?
Thanks!
09-19-2003, 01:38 PM
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Hey Shark Fan--- NOT TRUE according to my email.
Red UFO--- i agree with you about pricing but do not know where all the blame should lie. I do not know if the big three are getting fat on us or whether the wholesalers they buy from are to blame for these ridiculous prices. Ex. i bought a new set of red well made plug wires for my jeep, they work and look great for less than 50.00 but because i drive a porsche the wires now cost from 150 to skys the limit. Copper encased in rubber is copper encased in rubber. It goes on for all other parts. I think it has to do with human nature, people see porsche and motivated by greed or ENVY they want something out of your hide.
John S--- i feel for you on this because your efforts are being hit like a laser as you are close to a one trick pony but if i get one new later on i will send mine to you for refurbishment as a backup.
Mark--- go-zillion shark owners?? Other than the relative handful of mega posters on this forum who actually get their hands dirty on their cars most have mechanics do the actual work even some who talk big about repairing this or that.
Tom
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Red UFO--- i agree with you about pricing but do not know where all the blame should lie. I do not know if the big three are getting fat on us or whether the wholesalers they buy from are to blame for these ridiculous prices. Ex. i bought a new set of red well made plug wires for my jeep, they work and look great for less than 50.00 but because i drive a porsche the wires now cost from 150 to skys the limit. Copper encased in rubber is copper encased in rubber. It goes on for all other parts. I think it has to do with human nature, people see porsche and motivated by greed or ENVY they want something out of your hide.
John S--- i feel for you on this because your efforts are being hit like a laser as you are close to a one trick pony but if i get one new later on i will send mine to you for refurbishment as a backup.
Mark--- go-zillion shark owners?? Other than the relative handful of mega posters on this forum who actually get their hands dirty on their cars most have mechanics do the actual work even some who talk big about repairing this or that.
Tom
1985 928s2 euro
09-19-2003, 01:45 PM
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Tom, Dave M,
I take to heart most of your comments. however if you think your 928 parts are expensive, come to Europe !
There were only about 4000 928s imported to England over the whole production span. The parts are silly prices here...........MAF about $1000 , LH ECU $1920. timing belt $160.
The Big 3 change highish prices because they are charged high prices from Porsche, especially those innocent bits of Porsche-only plastic - unobtainable from the OEM. The Big 3 have to pass on the costs of keeping a large stock of parts, so you enjoy fast delivery. They ahve to rent expensive business premises to house all that stuff........you know the score.
Whether a 30% drop in prices for some parts is possible, I don't know. But unlikely.
Yes, Porsche prices are more expensive than other car makers, but that's Porsche's policy, not the Big 3. And Bosch have their cosy arrangment with Porsche too.........
My business is on a very modest basis. I don't have many products, my overheads are low. I can charge less than others. I try to keep to products that are not available elsewhere, then I don't tread on too many feet.
At present 75% of my turnover is ploughed back into the business. But I get a lot of satisfaction from satisfied customers !
Dr. Bob,
Yes, it is possible to upgrade an '88 LH ECU '89 spec. I charge $75. You can fit the chip yourself. The '88 ECU has diagnostics
Also, even the '87 year cars are wired for diagnostics, with the same connector as used on the '88 models. It's on a 12 pin rectangular connector near the ECUs.
With an EPROM swap any '87 LH ECU car can be also upgraded for Diagnostics.
Regards to all,
I take to heart most of your comments. however if you think your 928 parts are expensive, come to Europe !
There were only about 4000 928s imported to England over the whole production span. The parts are silly prices here...........MAF about $1000 , LH ECU $1920. timing belt $160.
The Big 3 change highish prices because they are charged high prices from Porsche, especially those innocent bits of Porsche-only plastic - unobtainable from the OEM. The Big 3 have to pass on the costs of keeping a large stock of parts, so you enjoy fast delivery. They ahve to rent expensive business premises to house all that stuff........you know the score.
Whether a 30% drop in prices for some parts is possible, I don't know. But unlikely.
Yes, Porsche prices are more expensive than other car makers, but that's Porsche's policy, not the Big 3. And Bosch have their cosy arrangment with Porsche too.........
My business is on a very modest basis. I don't have many products, my overheads are low. I can charge less than others. I try to keep to products that are not available elsewhere, then I don't tread on too many feet.
At present 75% of my turnover is ploughed back into the business. But I get a lot of satisfaction from satisfied customers !
Dr. Bob,
Yes, it is possible to upgrade an '88 LH ECU '89 spec. I charge $75. You can fit the chip yourself. The '88 ECU has diagnostics
Also, even the '87 year cars are wired for diagnostics, with the same connector as used on the '88 models. It's on a 12 pin rectangular connector near the ECUs.
With an EPROM swap any '87 LH ECU car can be also upgraded for Diagnostics.
Regards to all,
09-19-2003, 02:24 PM
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IMHO.
It seems to me that if you consider the original MSRP of these cars, the fact that they were discontinued 9 years ago, the fact that many if not most of the parts were unique to 928s then it easy for me to understand the cost of replacement parts. I'm just thankful that parts are still available and that there are people and businesses out there who think as much of these cars as we do. People who will look for ways to work around discontinued parts or components.
Do I like paying high prices for parts even though I turn my own wrenches?
Of course not.
But I CHOOSE to drive a 928 anyway.
It seems to me that if you consider the original MSRP of these cars, the fact that they were discontinued 9 years ago, the fact that many if not most of the parts were unique to 928s then it easy for me to understand the cost of replacement parts. I'm just thankful that parts are still available and that there are people and businesses out there who think as much of these cars as we do. People who will look for ways to work around discontinued parts or components.
Do I like paying high prices for parts even though I turn my own wrenches?
Of course not.
But I CHOOSE to drive a 928 anyway.
09-19-2003, 03:19 PM
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Supply and demand at it's finest....Whereas I paid $79 'Buy-it-now' for mine, partsdirect2002 has just listed 5 more of these on eBay with a $119.99 Buy-it-now...Ain't capitalism great!
09-19-2003, 03:50 PM
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Mark,
Correction. The Buy-it-now price is $89.99.
I bought one for $80. My MAF is probably original, so I'm looking forward to definite improvement.
Mark,
Thanks for the lead!
Correction. The Buy-it-now price is $89.99.
I bought one for $80. My MAF is probably original, so I'm looking forward to definite improvement.
Mark,
Thanks for the lead!
09-19-2003, 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by Jadz928
Mark,
Correction. The Buy-it-now price is $89.99.
I bought one for $80. My MAF is probably original, so I'm looking forward to definite improvement.
Mark,
Thanks for the lead!
Mark,
Correction. The Buy-it-now price is $89.99.
I bought one for $80. My MAF is probably original, so I'm looking forward to definite improvement.
Mark,
Thanks for the lead!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33557
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Damn,
None for my 83
I'll bet some dealer buys them up and resells them next week for more. But I can't bitch. I just bought a used window motor today for $20 bucks and I'll probably sell it for $60 in a couple weeks after I get it.
None for my 83
I'll bet some dealer buys them up and resells them next week for more. But I can't bitch. I just bought a used window motor today for $20 bucks and I'll probably sell it for $60 in a couple weeks after I get it.