The 100k mile dilemma. 97k now, stop driving and preserve the mileage?
08-06-2015, 02:51 PM
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97k is already too high to get much of a premium for low miles and unless it's a really exceptional example that the new owner just plans on looking at sitting in his garage and not driving a few 1000 more miles won't matter one way or the other.
Low miles only matters on newer cars or collector cars. In the vintage of a 928 where all are at least 20 years old condition trumps mileage every time. I care very little how many miles are showing, but I care a lot what the mechanical and cosmetic condition is and what recent service has been performed.
Another thing to consider is the the worst thing you can do for a car is let it sit without being driven. It just starts to decay. Seals, belts and tires dry out and rot, fuel lines get clogged with varnish, rodents take up residence, etc. Nothing good comes from storing a car long term.
Low miles only matters on newer cars or collector cars. In the vintage of a 928 where all are at least 20 years old condition trumps mileage every time. I care very little how many miles are showing, but I care a lot what the mechanical and cosmetic condition is and what recent service has been performed.
Another thing to consider is the the worst thing you can do for a car is let it sit without being driven. It just starts to decay. Seals, belts and tires dry out and rot, fuel lines get clogged with varnish, rodents take up residence, etc. Nothing good comes from storing a car long term.
Drive your car and enjoy it, keep it free of corrosion and replace worn parts / keep up with the maintenance, the car will be reliable and fun/desirable to own.
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08-06-2015, 02:53 PM
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The 100k mile dilemma. 97k now, stop driving and preserve the mileage?
I drove my 928 for years as a DD.. I got it with about 60,000 miles and kept it up and it was as reliable as I needed it to be to have 300,000+ miles on it when I decided to use other cars as my DD.... It's now a scientific project...
I only got stuck on the side of the road once due to the fuel pump going bad. I also had the same happen in a Mercedes S Class, so no big deal.
Hell, I have 50,000 miles on my Aston Martin and it's a 1/1.... You're really worried about 100,000 on a 928?
Drive it, life is too short!
I only got stuck on the side of the road once due to the fuel pump going bad. I also had the same happen in a Mercedes S Class, so no big deal.
Hell, I have 50,000 miles on my Aston Martin and it's a 1/1.... You're really worried about 100,000 on a 928?
Drive it, life is too short!
08-06-2015, 04:44 PM
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Well, I have had a complete change of heart after reading through this.
After reading the OP, I was in the "Don't drive it" camp.
100k is a huge psychological barrier. Note Fred's comment on 100k kilometers. And buying/selling a car is far more psychological than many people admit. For example, the price difference between a 9 year old/90k mile Cayenne and a 10 year/100k mile one is huge.
But Greg's post and ThetaTau's changed my mind (along with a few others).
928 buyers are not your 'average' car buyer. They will recognize the real difference between 97k and 100k is no more (or less) than that between 94k and 97k. And the reality that very, very few 928s of that mileage range have odometers that have not broken at some point makes odo readings a poor indicator of mileage.
A serious buyer will consider the odo reading, but will consider condition, history and the attitude/behaviors of the seller ahead of that.
A properly maintained 928 can be a reasonably reliable car (certain people may not consider 'reasonably reliable' to be good enough). I've taken mine to California & back (4500 miles), Dubuque & back (350 or so) and Racine (south of Milwaukee) & back a couple times (250 or so). No problems at all (yet). I plan on going to Racine a few more times this summer/fall. And plan on taking the 928.
The only real advantage the "Enterprise Toyota" offers is that when it breaks, a replacement will be delivered as soon as they can get it there. Rental cars break down too. Biggest difference is that your wife can't blame your "ratty old sports car" when it happens.
After reading the OP, I was in the "Don't drive it" camp.
100k is a huge psychological barrier. Note Fred's comment on 100k kilometers. And buying/selling a car is far more psychological than many people admit. For example, the price difference between a 9 year old/90k mile Cayenne and a 10 year/100k mile one is huge.
But Greg's post and ThetaTau's changed my mind (along with a few others).
928 buyers are not your 'average' car buyer. They will recognize the real difference between 97k and 100k is no more (or less) than that between 94k and 97k. And the reality that very, very few 928s of that mileage range have odometers that have not broken at some point makes odo readings a poor indicator of mileage.
A serious buyer will consider the odo reading, but will consider condition, history and the attitude/behaviors of the seller ahead of that.
A properly maintained 928 can be a reasonably reliable car (certain people may not consider 'reasonably reliable' to be good enough). I've taken mine to California & back (4500 miles), Dubuque & back (350 or so) and Racine (south of Milwaukee) & back a couple times (250 or so). No problems at all (yet). I plan on going to Racine a few more times this summer/fall. And plan on taking the 928.
The only real advantage the "Enterprise Toyota" offers is that when it breaks, a replacement will be delivered as soon as they can get it there. Rental cars break down too. Biggest difference is that your wife can't blame your "ratty old sports car" when it happens.
08-17-2015, 12:22 AM
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I thought I owed it to no one to finish up this thread. I went over the pros and cons, and to me, and maybe only to me there is a great boundary in the minds of buyers once it hits that ephemeral 100k mile milestone. That's why they are called - 'milestones'.
It's sort of sad, now that I've made a very nice driver out of it that I won't be tootling around much anymore. But - I'm gonna shelve it and just do regular mileage to work on the car as needed. It's going to Sean's house in a few months to get the dash and vac modules done, and that's about 100 miles, but other than that, I'm out of the driver category until it's finished and I sell it.
At some point in the next year, someone is going to get a fine, well running, and under 100k mile example of a Venetian blue, with red int car, that is pretty much all up to date.
It's sort of sad, now that I've made a very nice driver out of it that I won't be tootling around much anymore. But - I'm gonna shelve it and just do regular mileage to work on the car as needed. It's going to Sean's house in a few months to get the dash and vac modules done, and that's about 100 miles, but other than that, I'm out of the driver category until it's finished and I sell it.
At some point in the next year, someone is going to get a fine, well running, and under 100k mile example of a Venetian blue, with red int car, that is pretty much all up to date.
08-17-2015, 12:56 AM
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Does that mean you are now on the hunt for a lower-mileage 928 for the next decade's use, a higher mileage but well-sorted 928 that you can thrash about with impunity or are you just gonna borrow a different 928 from Roger each month for 3 years? You know, that's really not a bad idea........
08-17-2015, 01:57 AM
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Fascinating really , a bit like how the 7 day week is completely an artificial "cycle".
In most countries , 160,000km would not be considered as a barrier. 200,000 km if anything might put some off. Which is food for thought i.e. the ROW considers it OK to keep driving until this next psycho barrier is reached.
It is a global market now.
In most countries , 160,000km would not be considered as a barrier. 200,000 km if anything might put some off. Which is food for thought i.e. the ROW considers it OK to keep driving until this next psycho barrier is reached.
It is a global market now.
08-17-2015, 07:52 AM
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Friend had an ultra low mileage Acrua NSX. Only drove it on rare occasions and never in wet weather. Barely put any miles on it at all. In the end when he sold it he regretted not putting miles on it because he found it only made about $700 difference in the selling prices of the NSX.
I drive my cars. My 928 GTS had 46K on it when I bought it, now it has 70K. Since I started working from home I just don't put many miles on my cars. under 5K per year total.
I drive my cars. My 928 GTS had 46K on it when I bought it, now it has 70K. Since I started working from home I just don't put many miles on my cars. under 5K per year total.
08-17-2015, 01:48 PM
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Friend had an ultra low mileage Acrua NSX. Only drove it on rare occasions and never in wet weather. Barely put any miles on it at all. In the end when he sold it he regretted not putting miles on it because he found it only made about $700 difference in the selling prices of the NSX.
I drive my cars. My 928 GTS had 46K on it when I bought it, now it has 70K. Since I started working from home I just don't put many miles on my cars. under 5K per year total.
I drive my cars. My 928 GTS had 46K on it when I bought it, now it has 70K. Since I started working from home I just don't put many miles on my cars. under 5K per year total.
08-17-2015, 01:53 PM
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Well, not completely artificial. I believe it had to do with the quartile of the lunar cycle, although in the end it isn't exact of course. Back in Roman times, they didn't account for the leap day each four years, and the months were shorter, so the months would move around some so that Aug was actually spring for a while, and June could be in winter. It took an act of congress(senate) to affix the calendars properly each few years and the sometimes did it by adding a completely arbitrary month to the year so the months were back in line. The extra month was sometimes named for a senator or emperor as the case may be.
08-17-2015, 10:32 PM
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I have a very clean 64 K 928 and I'm planning on running it as far as it will go
These cars just aren't a big ticket item enough not to enjoy them and by the time they are ill be yo old to care
These cars just aren't a big ticket item enough not to enjoy them and by the time they are ill be yo old to care
08-17-2015, 11:01 PM
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Well, not completely artificial. I believe it had to do with the quartile of the lunar cycle, although in the end it isn't exact of course. Back in Roman times, they didn't account for the leap day each four years, and the months were shorter, so the months would move around some so that Aug was actually spring for a while, and June could be in winter. It took an act of congress(senate) to affix the calendars properly each few years and the sometimes did it by adding a completely arbitrary month to the year so the months were back in line. The extra month was sometimes named for a senator or emperor as the case may be.
But it is amusing why people are transfixed by Roman numerals. And 100k miles can be achieved in 1 mile increments , on a track or in 100 road trips. So as far as wear goes , how long is a piece of string?