I think with what all is included its a really good buy for someone looking for an S4 5 speed, especially for a start to a track car where cosmetics are less impt. Though the pics look pretty decent to me. GLWS Ken!

 

the seats look excellent, this isnt a bottom feeder car,
if you are paying attention the prices for these cars are rising ,
and the better kept examples are bringing bigger dollar amounts.

Even with the known issues its a sorted out machine ,
so you fix the knowns and you have a very nice 25K S4 5 speed

 

That's a big change of heart for someone who who repeatedly **** on everyone's FS threads 5 years ago with "that's a 5k car".

 

Awesome color combo ken. GLWS.

I don't get your statement about the convertible?

 

I really like how the 18" Cayman S wheels transform the look of the car.

 

Stan et al - thanks for the encouraging words.

Andy - the Caymans fit a S4 nicely, too @ 9/43 and 8/57. (43 doesn't work with a S 21mm spacer.)

 

Ken the market is changing rapidly seriously consider what I have posted.

Your leaving money on the table IMHO

 

Given the 3 panels to replace the ones with poor cosmetics are all included, and can be painted off the car and bolted on, this is a great deal.

With 75k miles, and all the original bits (wheels, radio, amplifier, books, etc.), this is actually a very good 5-spd S4. For someone who can bolt on the re-painted panels and DIY the various minor faults (with help from Rennlist), its a car which will end up in the rare (round these parts) situation of being worth more than you have into it.

IMO, the fix priorities should be:

1. Get spare fenders/bumper painted to paint code by a shop, and fit them (or have them painted on car and blended into adjacent panels - whichever the paint shop thinks will give better match)
2. Fix odo gear
3. Fix windshield washers [driving safety issue]
4. Drivers door handle (and loose mirror while door panel is off) [fixes poor impression during test-drives]
5. Refit seat backs and original radio [Fixes PO laziness]
6. Put original wheels back on (sell cayman ones separately)
7. Use an airbrush to fix the driver's seat edge with the same dye Rob E used on the cobalt GT (colorplus?)
8. Plug in rebuilt cruise brain from Roger
9. Fix sunroof

That should push it into the $20k region if you bundle the original bits that were taken off with the upgrades.

 

Hilton - I will probably get around to #5...after my nap. The Reno plugs are still there.


Rebuilt upper controls arms, rack, motor mounts (correct oil pan) would be one big, but WYAAI, job.

If that hood gap wasn't there it'd be a whole lot easier. Of course I could not fail to point it out. Sigh. It sold for twice previously without anyone noticing the fender does not fit properly.

 

Driver's door handle works with some finesse. Half-broken?

Mirror mount threads for the hollow bolt are stripped. I only recently found this out when the PO's silicone gave out. Grrr...


By rights I should just keep the car and fix everything. It is an absolute pleasure to drive. I need a new muse, though. I've plumb run out of new ideas - 'writers block'.

 

Yeah that job isn't worth doing for sale.. too much hassle/expense for not enough payback, hence it didn't make the list, plus the choice of which engine mounts is a personal thing

The stuff which I put in the list would all return more than the effort/cost of the job, and push the sale price up comfortably.

For the driver's door, on my '89 when it got awkward to open with the handle, it turned out to be a loose screw at one end of it - the hinge is cheap, and actualy I didn't find that job as hard as its reputation (I removed the old hinge anyway to inspect for cracks).. a long ball-ended allen key cut off and inserted into a 4mm socket, plus a blob of grease to hold the screw on the end made it fairly easy.

 

"Your leaving money on the table IMHO"

"Block was welded"

IMHO- That will scare off any new blood looking for a shark and prevent any decent money on Ebay.

"Ken the market is changing rapidly seriously consider what I have posted."

Recent sold listings on Ebay,

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...he+928&_sop=13

As-is I think it would sell for $8500-$10,500 on Ebay

 

The average price of the S4's sold on your ebay link of previous results is $12000 for an average of 83k miles. And they're all automatics, which are worth a lot less than manuals. (in some model years, auto is worth less than half the value of a 5-speed on a like-for-like basis). Even eliminating the '89 S4 outlier which got $25k, the average is still $10.5k (and 88k miles), for all automatics.

(note - I eliminated all the results which were the same car due to fallen-thru sales, taking the lowest sale result for each individual car).

Ken's car can, with minimal work, be significantly better than average.

Agree the welded block is unsightly, but its also a known 928 issue (cracking AC mount when bottoming out), and one of the weld sites is on a bolt-on bracket (which holds the AC compressor) and easily replaced.

 

"The average price of the S4's sold on your ebay link of previous results is $12000 for an average of 83k miles. And they're all automatics, which are worth a lot less than manuals. (in some model years, auto is worth less than half the value of a 5-speed on a like-for-like basis). Even eliminating the '89 S4 outlier which got $25k, the average is still $10.5k (and 88k miles), for all automatics.

(note - I eliminated all the results which were the same car due to fallen-thru sales, taking the lowest sale result for each individual car)."

The sample size on Ebay is pretty small and a 5 speed unless a GT are not bringing that sort of premium.

"Agree the welded block is unsightly, but its also a known 928 issue (cracking AC mount when bottoming out), and one of the weld sites is on a bolt-on bracket (which holds the AC compressor) and easily replaced."

I agree but on this car it has the welded block, wrong oil pan, paint work, mis aligned hood = as Ken says " on closer inspection was obviously in an accident a few owners ago"

I would put it up on Ebay for $12,500 or Best Offer and see what happens. The insertion fee if free the first couple of time & $120 if it sells on Ebay.

 

Agree that in its current state $12500 obo makes sense - to hit the $20k+ mark Ken (or the buyer) would need to work through the items I listed above (first of which is fix the panel gap and rear bumper cracking issues).

The majority of 928's being sold anywhere have had paint or panel work or accident damage, its just usually discovered after purchase, rather than disclosed by an honest seller.