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Old 06-20-2015, 04:22 PM
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For a while now my car has had a battery drain when just sitting. I'm trying to test the drain now. Putting my meter between the disconnected negative battery cable and the negative battery post I am getting these numbers:
1.3 amps with light in trunk on(light by windshield not working).
.09 amps with light off.

How bad is .09 amps? What is normal?

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Old 06-20-2015, 04:30 PM
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0.09 amps = 90 miliamps.
Normal, depending on equipment like radio, alarms, etc. would be 30 miliamps.
90 is not bad, it could be something quite subtle.
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You can disconnect the passenger door so that you may pull fuses as you watch your meter. If the draw is on a fuse protected circuit, then this will isolate where to trace.

You may well kill the draw by disconnecting the passenger door as the door pin switches are a source of current draws quite often.
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When I do this check [not very often] I do it with the door locked and thus the alarm armed to get the correct ampage number.

At 90mA I would be looking for the leakage. One approach is to look for a relay that is a bit warmer than the others first thing in the morning and of course you can pull fuses to see if you can spot the leakage circuit.

I had a problem of this nature years ago on my late S4- eventually the problem was traced to a minor short in the tailgate wiring that was chaffed and a cable was leaking to earth.

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Originally Posted by Kiln_Red
You can disconnect the passenger door so that you may pull fuses as you watch your meter. If the draw is on a fuse protected circuit, then this will isolate where to trace.

You may well kill the draw by disconnecting the passenger door as the door pin switches are a source of current draws quite often.
I removed the fuse for the interior lights and it didn't make a difference. Can I assume from that it is not the door switches?
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Anyone care to guess what fuses I should try first?
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Do you have an external stereo AMP / Bass Speaker?

I would start at one end and test across the board.


Originally Posted by porschejim928
Anyone care to guess what fuses I should try first?
Old 06-20-2015, 06:40 PM
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I'm reading through some other threads and someone suggested an IR gun. Will that really work?
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Originally Posted by Darien Nunn
Do you have an external stereo AMP / Bass Speaker?

I would start at one end and test across the board.
I had one but I disconnected and removed it.
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IR gun is useful for relays but seldom for fuses.

I have a few tools that help for this stuff. One is a small 12V bulb wired through a fuse housing. You can do similar with narrowed male spade terminals but most are a little thicker than fuse blades. Anyway, plugged in to a fuse socket in place of the fuse, it glows when current passes through.

Harbor Freight sells a little digital ammeter with 30A capacity that plugs into a fuse socket. Handy. I made a set of pigtails for it using a fuse holder, some 12ga wire and a couple test clamps (small battery charger clamps). Connect the pigtails in series with battery ground to watch total current flowing from the battery.

Fuses have a small amount of resistance. So if any current is flowing through a fuse, there will be a measurable voltage drop across the fuse. Use your DC Voltmeter function and needle probes to poke through the little openings on the back of each fuse. A voltage reading will tell you that current is flowing. This much faster for a first pass test than removing each fuse one by one and testing current flow directly in series.

Plus the ammeter you are using, knowing it typically has a 10A max capacity.
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Originally Posted by porschejim928
I removed the fuse for the interior lights and it didn't make a difference. Can I assume from that it is not the door switches?
No it could still be partly the interior lights. The relay itself is supplied on fuse #6 - the lights only are fuse #24 (labelled for this).

It is best to just be systematic & diligent when chasing down parasitic leakage - however it is most likely to be fuses #17 - #29 that are at risk (on this year) since they are all permanently supplied while the others are switched (varies greatly by model year).

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Just wanted to share some of my findings. I'm not sure if my first .09 was accurate. I got that when the fuse for the interior lights was still in, but I was holding down the button for the trunk. Since removing the fuse I've been getting .12. I've been using this as my guide to the fuses:
https://www.928gt.com/t-8586fuse.aspx

I noticed that I have #3 and #22 fuses in. The #3 is a 15A and #22 is a 3A. Any idea what these would be doing? When I removed the #3 I went down to a .09 so that might be part of my problem. Removing the #22 didn't seem to make any difference.

I maintained a .12 when I removed the #6. The #24 has been out for all the tests.

I'm pretty sure my battery is trashed from this drain. With the negative disconnected it went down from a 12.4 to a 12.3 overnight. Shame it was only like 3 years old. Light to figure this issue out before I get a new one.
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how much does the clock draw (early models)?
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I had the same issue with virtually the same voltage drops. Turned out to be the relay for the interior lights.
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Try this.

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