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Old 01-17-2015, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Pfc. Parts
Can we all assume you prefer the S4 body style over the original? Take a side? I don't think the 928 was being thrown under the bus, Hacker claimed the S4 would always be more valuable than the S3. I happen to disagree.

Where do you stand exactly?
I like.them all. Pretty simple for me.
Old 01-17-2015, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Chalkboss
I like.them all. Pretty simple for me.
Aha! So this tells us you aren't a connoisseur? That would explain it
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Seems like a reasonable price for a decent driver. Hoping that the values will just take off one day like they did for 930's last year.
Old 01-17-2015, 06:09 PM
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Whats wrong with you people? I'm glad to see the price go up,these cars are way under priced for what they are.Don't give them away,is a 911 worth more? is a Vette worth more than a 928? The 928 had front engine and rear mounted transaxle long before the Vette.Just my 2 cents.
Old 01-17-2015, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 928bil
Whats wrong with you people? I'm glad to see the price go up,these cars are way under priced for what they are.Don't give them away,is a 911 worth more? is a Vette worth more than a 928? The 928 had front engine and rear mounted transaxle long before the Vette.Just my 2 cents.
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Old 01-17-2015, 06:25 PM
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The best way to buy a driver type car at Barretts is to buy on the first day/ nite before the TV coverage.
Plenty of decent cruisers that are presentable & under 20k.- some way less. Not perfect cars, but fun.
I know a guy that usually buys one or two a year, has fun with them & resells later. Gets most of his money back & chalks up the difference to not having to babysit the body guy, painter & interior guy to build one from scratch. Not to mention finding a car to start with.
Old 01-17-2015, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pfc. Parts
Hey, I didn't start it, I just agreed. If you like the S4 body that's your business. I happen to think the S3 was the final 928, I also love the body styles of the S1 & 2, but I prefer a higher performance engine.

I can suggest places the glue might be more effective if you like
You do know that the high compression 4.7L 16 valve in the S2 put out 310 hp (rumored to be higher) and the 5.0L 32 valve in the S3 only put out 288 hp, right?
Old 01-17-2015, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin Joe
You do know that the high compression 4.7L 16 valve in the S2 put out 310 hp (rumored to be higher) and the 5.0L 32 valve in the S3 only put out 288 hp, right?
No, I didn't know that, but I'm in North America. There's a value for "PS" (any idea how that relates to HP?) quoted as "310" in some descriptions of the European 4.7L 16V, but the North American Version of that car was rated at 234 hp, top speed of 146. That was from a description of the '84, which was the last MY of the 4.7L sold in the US as far as I know.

The '85 5.0L 32V S3 was rated (stock) at 288 hp for North America and it's relatively simple to "chip" the car and get 310 out of it. I don't know the hp some of the serious racers are getting out of the engine (maybe someone like Mark Kibort could chime in though I think he runs S4s), but I'm pretty certain it's well north of 310. Relatively simple mods (8V head, turbo charging for example) can be made to the 944S2 that will easily blow the doors off a normally aspirated 928, and blowing a 928 is pretty difficult due to the size of the engine bay, it's hard to locate the turbos in a good location. I believe John Kuhn has the most successful design but up to now he's not been interested in building the S3 and frankly I'm not up to the task of designing a bi-turbo 928 from scratch. AFAIK he's only working on the S4s. It's easier to supercharge a 928 than turbocharge one, but I've never been fond of supercharging myself. I'm more interested in endurance road racing and not many people supercharge in that arena.

So the short answer is no, I did not know the North American 928 S2 was capable of 310hp.

I've been told that one of the easiest ways to boost S3 performance (after chipping) is to switch to the '84 or '85 16V Euro heads, unfortunately that would cause the car to fail smog in CA. Even though I register my cars in Wyoming, I do drive them and occasionally keep them for extended periods at my place in CA. If I ever sell my place in WY I'd like to be able to register them easily in other states, so I keep the 928 CA smog compliant. I'm not at all picky about the 944 though since it's primarily a track car.
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These "look what they paid for this car" threads absolutely crack me up.

Nice 928s that don't need a complete repaint and a new interior are getting really difficult to find....completely ignoring the mechanicals.

Any year, any example that has nice paint and a nice interior is worth 15k....primarily because a paint job and an interior like Porsche originally put on these cars is going to cost 30-40k.

I repair, hot rod, and restore 928s. A complete "freshening" (suspension, brakes, electrical, engine, transmission along with high quality paint job and high quality interior) is currently going to leave you with pocket change from 100k. And that's a really nice driver....no where near a show car!

15k for a nice example.....S2, S3, or S4....doesn't matter. It's a great deal!

This is the time! Pieces required for restoration are still available. The "buy in" prices are reasonable. Find the best one you can find, buy it, and make it as new as you can!

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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
These "look what they paid for this car" threads absolutely crack me up.

Nice 928s that don't need a complete repaint and a new interior are getting really difficult to find....completely ignoring the mechanicals.

Any year, any example that has nice paint and a nice interior is worth 15k....primarily because a paint job and an interior like Porsche originally put on these cars is going to cost 30-40k.

I repair, hot rod, and restore 928s. A complete "freshening" (suspension, brakes, electrical, engine, transmission along with high quality paint job and high quality interior) is currently going to leave you with pocket change from 100k. And that's a really nice driver....no where near a show car!

15k for a nice example.....S2, S3, or S4....doesn't matter. It's a great deal!

This is the time! Pieces required for restoration are still available. The "buy in" prices are reasonable. Find the best one you can find, buy it, and make it as new as you can!

If you blink, this moment is going to be gone!
This is worth preserving in its entirety. How many conversations have we had on this JimD? The time is getting well nigh near, I smell a tipping point in the air

I think I'll keep Blumaxx for a bit more.
Old 01-18-2015, 12:17 AM
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I could have sworn that I saw another 928 listed on the screen that went for $30k...I did not see the auction (assuming it was featured....), but it was on the list of cars sold on the screen. Anybody else pick that one up?
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Originally Posted by gcthree
I could have sworn that I saw another 928 listed on the screen that went for $30k...I did not see the auction (assuming it was featured....), but it was on the list of cars sold on the screen. Anybody else pick that one up?
Earlier in the week? I saw an '82 listed as selling in the 30's, after a bit of googling - I think it was this speedster -

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1982-PORSCHE-928-CUSTOM-ROADSTER-182082

Having been up there today - the prices on the whole looked high, there were only a handful of cars I'd say we're bargains. Most looked close or higher than retail (IMHO)..,
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Originally Posted by 928bil
Whats wrong with you people? I'm glad to see the price go up,these cars are way under priced for what they are.Don't give them away,is a 911 worth more? is a Vette worth more than a 928? The 928 had front engine and rear mounted transaxle long before the Vette.Just my 2 cents.
Is that your 86.5 928S off and on the Moses Lake craigslist for the past couple years? The market just does not support 100k+ miles cars at for $15k

If 928 prices are not way up now in this bubble when will they be? Maybe the next one when more 928's disappear.
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Originally Posted by Pfc. Parts
...So the short answer is no, I did not know the North American 928 S2 was capable of 310hp...
There was no "North American S2" The 84-86 Euro was the "S2". It was only officially called that in the UK, but the same car was sold in the European markets (well, in 86 some markets got the "S3" 5.0 32 valve).

And AFAIK, the "S3" was never an official designation. It's just what 85 & 86 (& 86.5) US market cars are commonly known as.

I'm also not talking about modified motors. I'm talking about stock, as delivered.

And "PS" is pretty much "horsepower."

Though it’s still commonly used by carmakers, PS or Pferdestärke (horse-strength in German) was actually replaced by kW as the EU's ‘legal’ measurement of engine power in 1992.

One PS is about 98.6% of a brake horsepower – the two are virtually interchangeable, and PS is sometimes referred to as 'metric horsepower'.
http://www.which.co.uk/cars/driving/...wer-converter/
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Originally Posted by gcthree
I could have sworn that I saw another 928 listed on the screen that went for $30k...I did not see the auction (assuming it was featured....), but it was on the list of cars sold on the screen. Anybody else pick that one up?
Originally Posted by neejah
Earlier in the week? I saw an '82 listed as selling in the 30's, after a bit of googling - I think it was this speedster -

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archi...OADSTER-182082
There were only two 928's at the auction, the 85 being discussed, and the 82 custom roadster as mentioned above that went for $30k. The 82 has been discussed before on rennlist, but I'll post some pics of it in another thread for those that haven't seen it before.


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