FS: Devek roll bar
11-14-2014, 12:47 AM
#3
I just got a Devek/Autopower bar from 928 Int in August & I love it! Here are a few pics after I painted it & installed it, but before the pads went on. Sorry for the quality of the cell phone pics. Yes I did use the hammer to get everything lined up, its a tight fit. It helped greatly that my seats & headliner were out. I also added steel plates inside & out at the front mounting point due to the knock out plug in the floor boards, and only one of the 3 bolt holes on each side not being over the plug. Happened to have kept some small steel plates from some tv wall mounts over the years that worked perfectly.
11-14-2014, 07:13 PM
#6
Yeah shipping from Kalifornia to Fla was just under $180, ouch! But still a great deal for $400 to get the Devek version & much cheaper than anyone offering the new AutoPower version.
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11-21-2014, 10:48 AM
#8
It's most likely not current standards at 10+- yrs old. For the 2-3 DEs & a couple of AXs I do a year, it doesn't matter to me. I'll never be entered in anything that requires someone to check what metal my bar is made of. Still safer to me than not having it, least that's what I tell myself.
11-21-2014, 11:04 AM
#9
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It's most likely not current standards at 10+- yrs old. For the 2-3 DEs & a couple of AXs I do a year, it doesn't matter to me. I'll never be entered in anything that requires someone to check what metal my bar is made of. Still safer to me than not having it, least that's what I tell myself.
I'm not aware that anyone in AX checks, other than its safely installed for the most point.
If it is ERW, it is illegal in SCCA and NASA prep rules, and any org that uses those rulebooks as a guideline.
ERW -is- allowed in the car it was installed in, when it was legal, if the original logbook can still be produced.
ERW was splitting on the welded seams too much, and was let go as a valid new installation material, unless otherwise grandfathered.
If you feel a seam running down the tubing from the inside, it is ERW. Its 80% likely not to be, however...if it's only a decade old.
11-21-2014, 02:45 PM
#10
Yeah, I'm pretty certain Devek had AutoPower make their version of the 928 roll bars in the 2003-04 era from what I've read here on RL back when Mark still was active and posted. I did check prior to installing for a seam & I didn't feel any. So that makes me feel better from what you advised regarding ERW. I don't ever plan on being in a NASA or SCCA racing event. My belts have expired too, but being six point Schroths just a couple years out of date & well secured should be at least as safe as 30 year old factory belts. Least I believe they are.
The PCA people in this area are diligent in their safety checks of cars, helmets, belts, etc. at any DE I've been too. I've seen more than once where a car needed corrections prior to being allowed on track. Perhaps since most cars don't have a roll bar or cage, they figure those that do would be even safer if installed correctly. Even if that may or may not be the case. I doubt though that 95% of them would know ERW from PCA, unless they are a racer.
The PCA people in this area are diligent in their safety checks of cars, helmets, belts, etc. at any DE I've been too. I've seen more than once where a car needed corrections prior to being allowed on track. Perhaps since most cars don't have a roll bar or cage, they figure those that do would be even safer if installed correctly. Even if that may or may not be the case. I doubt though that 95% of them would know ERW from PCA, unless they are a racer.
11-21-2014, 08:05 PM
#11
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Yeah, I'm pretty certain Devek had AutoPower make their version of the 928 roll bars in the 2003-04 era from what I've read here on RL back when Mark still was active and posted. I did check prior to installing for a seam & I didn't feel any. So that makes me feel better from what you advised regarding ERW. I don't ever plan on being in a NASA or SCCA racing event. My belts have expired too, but being six point Schroths just a couple years out of date & well secured should be at least as safe as 30 year old factory belts. Least I believe they are.
The PCA people in this area are diligent in their safety checks of cars, helmets, belts, etc. at any DE I've been too. I've seen more than once where a car needed corrections prior to being allowed on track. Perhaps since most cars don't have a roll bar or cage, they figure those that do would be even safer if installed correctly. Even if that may or may not be the case. I doubt though that 95% of them would know ERW from PCA, unless they are a racer.
The PCA people in this area are diligent in their safety checks of cars, helmets, belts, etc. at any DE I've been too. I've seen more than once where a car needed corrections prior to being allowed on track. Perhaps since most cars don't have a roll bar or cage, they figure those that do would be even safer if installed correctly. Even if that may or may not be the case. I doubt though that 95% of them would know ERW from PCA, unless they are a racer.
A DE -is- a race day liability wise. If you'z got race **** in your cabin, it must pass a -race- quality inspection. No DE organizer should allow an inch of creativity or lack of preparation for an installed cage, a race seat, or belt mounting (consideration for condition as noted).
The issue..is that the CORRECT application of the WHOLE cabin safety system relies on everything being install as the manufacturer intended it and liability studies dictate it.
Autopower was ERW to a point, I forget when, but for some time now, they have been DOM.
My 83 RX7 spec racer was an ERA AP bolt in cage when I bought the car used, back in uhh..2001. Was probably 5yrs old at that time. That logbook was worth $3k in gold...if I had lost it, I would have to fit a new cage.
On the end of the scale for really bad...every year at National Championships, there is at least one car that towed 2000 miles, that is missing probably a foot of welding in the halo and B pillars...and it's had a logbook for a _decade_ before someone REALLY looked at it, and finally failed it and noted the logbook.
And, there's always a handful of TT cars that without any race chit in the cabin, need no inspection at all..but then add -1- thing, and it all goes downhill because the other systems that support that -1- thing, are not present. It's usually someone thinking they can install belts using back-seat belt extensions for the shoulder belts.
My message here..was to not allow "just a DE event" to suggest that gear intended by it's simple existence to be race prep gear, does not have to meet the full requirements of full racing environment gear.
To suggest less, is a serious shortfall by the DE organizer, and should cause concern WRT to their intentions towards your and others safety.
Be safe..I came at this as a 928 lover..and an SFI certified safety inspector, I dont wanna see anyone I know hurt.
