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08-21-2003, 10:34 PM
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Although the outcome is great, and the car is great, it is still a good lesson about the kind of cash you can end up spending if you go to the wrong shop, or if you take on a project beyond what you are prepared to handle. This project, despite being an exercise in perfection and excellence, ended up being a lot more expensive than the advertised $2,500 installation price. Talk about the need for a disclaimer!
I think I always said that Projekt928 may do superb work, but people need to know what the price may be, and the time that it may take. Perfection takes time and money... Best not to mislead people of that fact...
I think I always said that Projekt928 may do superb work, but people need to know what the price may be, and the time that it may take. Perfection takes time and money... Best not to mislead people of that fact...
08-21-2003, 10:48 PM
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BC,
My original agreement was for standard Vortech with intercooler using FAST kit and labor for $9500. Then I added T-Trim, head work. 2 rebuilds, etc, etc. No one can argue about knowing price and lead time up front. I always authorized Eric's work before he did it. It did take longer than I expected.
My original agreement was for standard Vortech with intercooler using FAST kit and labor for $9500. Then I added T-Trim, head work. 2 rebuilds, etc, etc. No one can argue about knowing price and lead time up front. I always authorized Eric's work before he did it. It did take longer than I expected.
08-21-2003, 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Joe Dyer
I made hotel reservations for Sharktoberfest today. I look forward in seeing the SoCal928 group.
I made hotel reservations for Sharktoberfest today. I look forward in seeing the SoCal928 group.
I will be buying you a beer......
08-22-2003, 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by Bernie
Wow,
Eric was consumed by that car for 15 months. Imagine the feeling of completing the car while under pressure only to have to make the decision to tell the owner that you are ripping the entire thing down to the last nut and bolt. At the same time being totally trashed on the list for supposedly blowing the motor up (actually, so was I!!). I personally would have to have been put in therapy.
Some of those people don't post here on Rennlist anymore - go figger?
Wow,
Eric was consumed by that car for 15 months. Imagine the feeling of completing the car while under pressure only to have to make the decision to tell the owner that you are ripping the entire thing down to the last nut and bolt. At the same time being totally trashed on the list for supposedly blowing the motor up (actually, so was I!!). I personally would have to have been put in therapy.
Some of those people don't post here on Rennlist anymore - go figger?
We are are still here. So you don't mean to "start a flame war", but you felt the need to spew out some "payback" huh? I think the "payback" has already been handled. By Joe. Having to pay 35,000 for somebody else's learning curve. If I go in for a root canal, and the dentist screwes up my dental life for almost 2 years, and I have to pay him three freaking times more than originally told...No wait, FOUR TIMES, and I eventually get my correct smile back with some nice spit and polish, should I be happy?
That 35,000 shoudl really pay for some nice free work for the whole bandwagon, huh?
Please.
While I am sure Joe is very happy to have his car back and actually running correctly, lets not forget he still had to bend over and grab his ankles on this, and he's the best case scenario.
Some of you people are just blind. I have no problem understanding how Grey Pevis was re-elected for Gov. of California. People here specialize in wearing blinders.
08-22-2003, 03:54 AM
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I'd have to say I'm with Brendan on this one. So based on the two cars that have been mentioned in regards to that shop, the average time for a supercharger installation is over a year?
The same goes for incompetence.
Originally posted by bcdavis
Perfection takes time and money...
Perfection takes time and money...
08-22-2003, 10:19 AM
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Yup, apparently "Sorted" and also, seemingly "Sordid"
Still, Irrespective of the story behind the story, there will not be a long line for the $35k supercharger job...............
Still, Irrespective of the story behind the story, there will not be a long line for the $35k supercharger job...............
08-22-2003, 11:45 AM
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You guys are forgetting an engine rebuild on a GTS! What's the matter with you? There was no $35,000 supercharger install. Also there was extensive head work done. Should it total 35 grand? I don't know. But as I posted earlier, there are a lot of ricers who wouldn't think twice about spending that kind of money to their Supra or whatever.
When Joe dials everything in on his car, I wouldn't be suprised if he's in the top ten fasted 928's on the planet. What's that worth. For $35 grand (the cost of a Camery or some other crappy new car) Joe can go out and spank a lot of more expensive cars. Anybody purchase a GT2 lately? Let's say Joe's car is equally as fast as a GT2. He's only spent half as much money. Not bad Joe.
As for the length of time it took, it always amazes me how long this stuff takes. I've been waiting for the little seal at the bottom of the winshield wahser reservoir from one of the Big 3 (who ordered it from Germany and recieved the wrong part) for OVER a month! A $2 seal has kept my car off the road for over a month.
So I'm always amazed at the willingness of people to flame the efforts of others as they sit back and drink a beer while surfing the list. It would be better to hear from sombody who has BTDT. Sombody who knows what the cost of a rebuilt and modified GTS motor with new pistons, etc etc.
From what I'm hearing from Joe, it seems as if he is overall happy with his purchase and that his biggest complaint is how long it took. He really doesn't need all your negativity telling him he spent too much money. He's a big boy, and he likes big boy toys. Lets go over to the Ferrari Forum and then we'll talk about money (10-20k a year in maintenance alone). Also does anybody know what those new ceramic rotors on the "real" Porsches cost? A pair of new rotors will set you back close to what Joe spent.
It's very tasteless to flame Joe about how he spends his money. He was very kind to come on the board and bring us up to date and give out personal info such as the amount of money spent. If you have a problem with how much he spent, just be glad it isn't you, and put a cork in it.
Brendan, I think Bernie has a right to give a little "I told you so". There were a lot of malicious lies spread about the project (I mean Projekt). Eric isn't perfect, but he poured out his soul into that car. You also really need to get the facts straight before you insert your foot in your mouth. The original price Eric quoted assumed a healthy motor. What is so difficult for you to understand? Check the archives, 928 rebuilds aren't cheap. Especially when there are only 1 set of oversized GTS pistons left in the country (I don't want to know what these puppies cost). Don't flame the stupidity of the California voter if you can't even understand such basic things such as this. It's really bad taste.
BTW Joe, I want to hear about your R5 someday. One of my favorite cars. I had a friend who oned one once. Saw one in Malibu a few weeks ago (the wife actually spotted it before I did!! What a gal).
When Joe dials everything in on his car, I wouldn't be suprised if he's in the top ten fasted 928's on the planet. What's that worth. For $35 grand (the cost of a Camery or some other crappy new car) Joe can go out and spank a lot of more expensive cars. Anybody purchase a GT2 lately? Let's say Joe's car is equally as fast as a GT2. He's only spent half as much money. Not bad Joe.
As for the length of time it took, it always amazes me how long this stuff takes. I've been waiting for the little seal at the bottom of the winshield wahser reservoir from one of the Big 3 (who ordered it from Germany and recieved the wrong part) for OVER a month! A $2 seal has kept my car off the road for over a month.
So I'm always amazed at the willingness of people to flame the efforts of others as they sit back and drink a beer while surfing the list. It would be better to hear from sombody who has BTDT. Sombody who knows what the cost of a rebuilt and modified GTS motor with new pistons, etc etc.
From what I'm hearing from Joe, it seems as if he is overall happy with his purchase and that his biggest complaint is how long it took. He really doesn't need all your negativity telling him he spent too much money. He's a big boy, and he likes big boy toys. Lets go over to the Ferrari Forum and then we'll talk about money (10-20k a year in maintenance alone). Also does anybody know what those new ceramic rotors on the "real" Porsches cost? A pair of new rotors will set you back close to what Joe spent.
It's very tasteless to flame Joe about how he spends his money. He was very kind to come on the board and bring us up to date and give out personal info such as the amount of money spent. If you have a problem with how much he spent, just be glad it isn't you, and put a cork in it.
Brendan, I think Bernie has a right to give a little "I told you so". There were a lot of malicious lies spread about the project (I mean Projekt). Eric isn't perfect, but he poured out his soul into that car. You also really need to get the facts straight before you insert your foot in your mouth. The original price Eric quoted assumed a healthy motor. What is so difficult for you to understand? Check the archives, 928 rebuilds aren't cheap. Especially when there are only 1 set of oversized GTS pistons left in the country (I don't want to know what these puppies cost). Don't flame the stupidity of the California voter if you can't even understand such basic things such as this. It's really bad taste.
BTW Joe, I want to hear about your R5 someday. One of my favorite cars. I had a friend who oned one once. Saw one in Malibu a few weeks ago (the wife actually spotted it before I did!! What a gal).
08-22-2003, 12:27 PM
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"Me thinks the lady doth protest too loudly"
What is your point chris, that the rest of us are not entitled to an opinion?
Riiiiiight..........................You aint got the "cred" to push that crap......
Nobody is flaming Joe, In fact, all there is here for Joe is congrats on getting his car back in the shape he wants it.
you, on the other hand..................I do not know what your agenda is and highly suspect anyone who tells me how I should think...........
What is your point chris, that the rest of us are not entitled to an opinion?
Riiiiiight..........................You aint got the "cred" to push that crap......
Nobody is flaming Joe, In fact, all there is here for Joe is congrats on getting his car back in the shape he wants it.
you, on the other hand..................I do not know what your agenda is and highly suspect anyone who tells me how I should think...........
08-22-2003, 12:55 PM
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Standing down here, Randy..............
08-22-2003, 01:13 PM
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Isn't a caution flag yellow? On the road yellow means floor it, right?
08-22-2003, 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by chris928
You guys are forgetting an engine rebuild on a GTS! What's the matter with you? There was no $35,000 supercharger install.
You guys are forgetting an engine rebuild on a GTS! What's the matter with you? There was no $35,000 supercharger install.
WhenSo I'm always amazed at the willingness of people to flame the efforts of others as they sit back and drink a beer while surfing the list. It would be better to hear from sombody who has BTDT. Sombody who knows what the cost of a rebuilt and modified GTS motor with new pistons, etc etc.
From what I'm hearing from Joe, it seems as if he is overall happy with his purchase and that his biggest complaint is how long it took. He really doesn't need all your negativity telling him he spent too much money. He's a big boy, and he likes big boy toys. Lets go over to the Ferrari Forum and then we'll talk about money (10-20k a year in maintenance alone). Also does anybody know what those new ceramic rotors on the "real" Porsches cost? A pair of new rotors will set you back close to what Joe spent.
It's very tasteless to flame Joe about how he spends his money. He was very kind to come on the board and bring us up to date and give out personal info such as the amount of money spent. If you have a problem with how much he spent, just be glad it isn't you, and put a cork in it.
Check the archives
I'm done to Randy. I guess everybody's got their own opinion formed by now, and I doubt any will change.
08-22-2003, 02:06 PM
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Not flaming anyone here...
The car is great.
Very fast, cool, fun, and a well done job.
The client is very happy with the job.
Other than the excess time, the work was worth the money to him.
All some of us are trying to say, is that it seems like the "perfection" of the shop,
and possibly the "learning curve", means that it takes a lot longer, and costs
a lot more, than other reputable, and even amateur installers would charge...
I think people are simply wanting to make the people who might be inclined
to go to that shop, to be aware of the costs associated, and the timeframe.
Maybe the next SC install he does will take a week, and cost $2,500 in labor.
But until that happens, it is good that people who might be "inspired" and excited
by this car, be aware of the costs and issues with this shop's SC installs...
And I give HUGE props for Joe sharing the costs and the time.
Because it gives people a good idea of what one can expect...
And again, AWESOME car, and AWESOME work on the car...
I'm sure it *is* really well done.
It just took a long time, and cost a lot.
I'm guessing that a lot of the other SC kits that people here have built,
will have similar power, and 1/4 the cost...
The car is great.
Very fast, cool, fun, and a well done job.
The client is very happy with the job.
Other than the excess time, the work was worth the money to him.
All some of us are trying to say, is that it seems like the "perfection" of the shop,
and possibly the "learning curve", means that it takes a lot longer, and costs
a lot more, than other reputable, and even amateur installers would charge...
I think people are simply wanting to make the people who might be inclined
to go to that shop, to be aware of the costs associated, and the timeframe.
Maybe the next SC install he does will take a week, and cost $2,500 in labor.
But until that happens, it is good that people who might be "inspired" and excited
by this car, be aware of the costs and issues with this shop's SC installs...
And I give HUGE props for Joe sharing the costs and the time.
Because it gives people a good idea of what one can expect...
And again, AWESOME car, and AWESOME work on the car...
I'm sure it *is* really well done.
It just took a long time, and cost a lot.
I'm guessing that a lot of the other SC kits that people here have built,
will have similar power, and 1/4 the cost...
08-22-2003, 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by BrendanCampion
We are are still here. So you don't mean to "start a flame war", but you felt the need to spew out some "payback" huh?
We are are still here. So you don't mean to "start a flame war", but you felt the need to spew out some "payback" huh?
The purpose of my post was to, once and for all, set the record straight about malicious slandor that occurred during "Fate Of The White GTS". Read the first post by my favourite poster SRV claiming that the GTS was blown up on the dyno. THAT'S what my post was referring too, not anyones opinion on whether or not it took too long or cost too much. That opinion is your right and I won't contest it. But coming out and claiming that the car was blown up was just a malicious, unsubstantiated statement that deserves a response. The rest of the posts surrounding that can be put to bed IMHO.
Oh,
and have a great day.......
