stuartbrs

I love the Singer 911`s, I think they are awesome machines to look at and its fantastic that they exist.

I cant see it working for a 928 though... the Singers have 35 years of 911 bits too choose from and 911`s lend themselves to that kind of car. And I always think modified 928`s just look like.. modified 928`s. The Singer looks factory.
Also, for that price.. in the 928 GT style market.. there are some seriously beautiful cars to choose from.. especially of the Aston Martin variety.
I would prefer to see a 928 GT3....

Cole

To make a "modern classic" high end 928 you first need to realize that the 928 is a "GT car", not a "sports car" like the 911.

A "Singer 911" exemplifies the essence of a 911 as a "Sports car"

A 928 would need to be built with a different approach.

My family had a 928 new in 1978. Its hard to express just how ahead of its time, muscular and LUXURIOUS A 928 was when new.

A true "over the top" modern build of the classic 928 needs to embrace its "GT Car" basis. Not trying to make it into a lightweight minimalist sports car that it was never designed to be.

tv

That might be The Fixer's (Matt's) intention with this thread and he did achieve the minimalists sports car look with his RS, but some of us posted our lists of what would bring the 928 up to modern standards with the best equipment available, which is what the Singer does for an old 911 sports car.


If you completed my list on my 928 and put it in the local Aston showroom, 1 of the nicest in the US, that 928 would be the best looking vehicle there, easily. But the reason there is no market from a business pov for such a "singer 928" is that no one who isn't already a 928 diehard would dare spend big money on a car that would be confused with all the beater 928's that one see's where the owner's announce they got it for $1500.

Imo000

You must be drinking the 928 cool-aid for too long if you think a 928 (in any form) will look better yhan a modern Aston Martin. Come on, be realistic.

marks gt

Just look at the pro touring Muscle Car craze. The 928 is not far off that concept.

tv

No, I do don't do anything if it's not what I consider the best. I never settle in life. 928 was always my dream car since I saw and rode in them in the early 80's. I didn't buy mine because I wanted a Porsche for a cheap price. It is the best looking GT design ever imo. Design is NOT like technology, it does not constantly improve. The 928 shape is lower, meaner, and with more beautiful curves than any prod. Aston, nicer interior ergo's also.

If I wanted an aston today I would buy it. I don't and I won't.

77tony

Fun thread Matt. Here's one of the crazy builds over at Pro-Touring: http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/6...ht=porsche+356

hopwood

My 79 is not far off what I would consider to be a nice interpretation of the Singer philosophy:

- hellblaumetallic paint, no rub strips or spoilers
- pascha velour interior
- Euro S2 engine with K-Jet injection, IJ crank scraper and windage kit
- 5 speed gearbox
- 86.5 shorty headers
- custom y-pipe and 3" single pipe exhaust
- S4 brakes and suspension
- 9" club sports painted in Porsche weissgold all-round

Dyno'd at 320bhp / 320ft-lb and looks like a lower, meaner 79 with fat rubber.

Joel

UncleMaz

Please post a picture Joel. Car described sounds pretty dreamy.

The Fixer

I'd have to look again but the Singers are not that lite or raw the way i prefer my Porsches.

They are heavy, powerful and comfortable 911s with air conditioning.

They are as much a GT imho. For that money they have to be comfortable.

Singer also uses modern water cooled 911 headlamps and intakes
but the interior is custom.

I have found a modern projector beam headlamp i want to use on my RS.

Approach:

I have thought about it now and agree with the approach TV and Rob suggest.

I just think starting with an OB body is best.

This car must celebrate the classic lines of the 928 not distort them like the MM race cars. (I still want one)

Carl's products, (Carl could build one for sure) turbo motor (turbo is more the Porsche way) ,
GTS flares, Jim D's wheels, 6 speed conv, modern projector headlamps etc., would add to it not detract
from the classic 928 design.

And keep it lite.

Have beautiful drilled metal details everywhere but make it comfortable and very, very fast.

Hey Buddy,
JP is getting real close imo.

I like the 356 pics in bare metal, takes me back 20+ years. My first welding work on a 356B Sunroof Coupe (rust bucket)
for my Boss and now Father in Law.

I'd like to see the "Singer" 928
smoke a new Panamera Turbo.

That would get noticed.

Ad0911

This calls for a thread "cool pics of 928 & owner" in the style of Sean Connery with his DB5. Let's see if we can match coolness...Who dares first?

The Fixer

Look at Tony77's avatar..

I doubt the Aston will look this good in 35 years.

stuartbrs

Aston`s have a presence.. so does the 928, my point was that for the money you would need to make a 928 match what the Aston has out of the box, your never going to make it work, financially.

I also imagine, that a Singer 911 is going to hold its value much better than a Singer style 928 would.
Actually, has anyone seen a second hand Singer being sold?

The Fixer

I sent an email to Singer Vehicle Design. I figured what could it hurt?

It went like this:

Hello Singer Vehicle Design,


Have you ever thought about creating a Singer that costs around $75,000?


I'm a big Singer 911 fan but they are way out of my league at this time in my life.

I owned a very nice Prussian Blue 3.2 Carrera for many years but recently bought a one owner 1983 928S 5-speed with 57 K miles to play with in my shop.

It cost me about $5000, i couldn't resist...

I never owned one but have found that i really like them. They are truely Porsches, they sound great, handle beautifully and are made extremely well.

I made it more to my liking though and built a RS concept 928

Turns out 928s can be made pretty lite.

Multiple nice examples can be had for the price of one
of it's air cooled brothers. I 'm sure it can be hard and expensive to find 964 examples for you to modify into Singers.

I know it sounds silly as they are not as valued but a 928 could make a great
Singer product for people looking to spend less but own a Singer vehicle.

They are an iconic GT. Possible the best ever.

Mine now turns more heads than my tribute IROC 3.2 Carrera. Really it does.


It couldn't hurt to build a prototype (cheaply) and see what kind of
stir it might cause with the automotive press.

Build one that will beat a Panamera Turbo.


Here is a picture of my concept 1983 928 RS that i built in my garage.

MjRocket

Matt

Awesome!

Eagerly waiting to hear the response.