whiteNSXs

No, you are missing the point. Matt's thread is just an exercise of what people would LIKE to have in a imaginary 928 whether if there is a market for it. BTW, 4000 man hours for a Singer and you believed that??!!! I call that BS, aka marketing BS.
Steve

TexasDude74

To be fair, Singer may use United Auto Worker employees. If so, that 4000 man hour claim may actually be conservative.

545svk

Jay Leno said abour a XK Jag " washing it is like giving a woman a bath, your hands just fall at the right places."

I won,t go quite as far, but washing my s4 today and thinking about this topic ( no comments!) , there is not much I would radically change.

I would like " smoother" sideskirts. And perhaps a bit deeper. Same with the front airdam.

I have standard wheels, perhaps 18" and wider in the rear?

One thing, whenever I see photos from behind of a 928 without rear quater window glass, they look so wide. Would like that look in real life.

Inside, sport seats, with standard steering wheel, shifter and switches ( love the feel of them) .

As an aside, my 10 yr old son and I have been looking at a ' 86 911 turbo convertable, just shy of $ 90 k. When I said today, perhaps we should buy a $ 15 K 86 928S and spend the balance on building the ultimate 928, he was all for it.

Turns out the boy knows that when he gets his restricted licence in 5 years or so, he is not allowed to drive a turbo car, but a 928 is OK!

White Lightnin'

Fixed it fer 'ya...

The Fixer

Couldn't agree more Steve.

LOL

Nice to hear, my Boy is 11 and will drive mine or his own i'm sure.



Porsche 928 VS 964 911 as a bases for a Singer car:

The more I think about it,

The more it seems to make more sense (to me)
to build a 'Singer' type Porsche from a 928 chassis than an old
flexi-flyer 911 which was designed in the very early '60s.

We can, and are making our 928s more beautiful. We don't want to sell them.

I'd like to take mine to the next level for sure and nothing can or should stop me or any of you from making yours better.

I have always thought i could easily make a great living restoring 356s or pre 1973 911s because they are a breeze compared to other makes to restore.
And parts are plentiful and reasonable.

But many know this already and these models are very hard to find at a price with enough meat left on the bone to make a decent profit.

The Singer 911 guy (name escapes me) has found a way to make a great profit after buying a donor 964 at any price.

He also offers a great product.

But i do not think it is $350,000 better than a great 928, no way.

I'd rather help people (many) with the balance

To buy a 964 911 for this kind of money is silly. I don't think Leno bought one. When i watched the video

of Leno driving one, the Singer guy (wish i remembered name) looked very on edge. He knows they aren't worth the money.

I could make something out of a 964 very close, for much, much less.
Even contracting all the work out, which is the fun way.

Some have more money than brain.

stuartbrs

Rob Dickinson...

Anyway, its all a moot point, your "Singer" 928 has already been built...

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...rt-4-a-14.html

Rob Edwards

Been waiting for Dan's Turquoise car to come up. Though I have never seen the totalled receipts, it was absolutely a $100K+ car, done with the best available parts and by the best available talent. Also important to remember that it was 4 years in the making. I don't know about 4000 hours, but between Greg's shop, Ron Ruff's crew, Paul and Linda Champagne, Bob Budd, and me, I'd believe 1500-2000 hours. Other than the ABS/PSD brain, the airbag brain, the side and rear glass, and the taillight housings, there's not a single part on that car that didn't get kissed in some way.

Matt, before you pipe in that you could do it for less, in less time, I need to remind you that you have more talent and craftsmanship in your non-dominant (left?) pinky than 99+% of us have in our whole bodies.

The Fixer

This ^^ is a beautiful build. Love the color.


My next project or possible RS re-paint will be in this blue turquoise.

This color just makes you happy.

White Lightnin'

Yeah, someone wanted to make a killing off of their Community College Basket Weaving course!

Show some financial responsibility and shave off about 1,000 hours it probably takes to weave the leather checkerboard (smooth-suede-smooth) that is found on the seats, dash insert, interior panels on that white 911. (check out the detail pics)

Just laser-etch it like Paul does with the Pascha pattern and save a butt load of labor costs.

WTF were they thinking?

545svk

White Lightnin'

What was the source of the side skirts and rear wing on the car in your avatar?

Looks good.

545svk

This is where doing something because you can and want come in. Weaved checkerboard is not the same as laser-etched pattern.

It's like ground beef vs. prime steak. Similar, but very different. And at the right time, either hit the spot.

If you want to introduce financial responsibility into this topic, may I point you to the Nissan Micra / Fiat 500 etc forum. Or the "Walking for health and wealth" discussion over to the left

ChristianR

market for a $120k+ 928, nope. 99.5% of 928 owners would never spend that or can't spend that. Don't get me wrong, I love the 928, in the market for one.

Porsche 911 air cooled is the flagship and always has been, always will be market for the "extreme" 911's, different type customer than the typical 928 owner

tv

I agree with most of what you say and I already made the point about no market for a singer 928, BUT 1 small correction, the 928 was the flagship in the 80's, Furhmann was the last good CEO Porsche had.

Shawn Stanford

15 year-old McMansions are a specific problem. I could never understand why people would spend money they couldn't afford to build twice as much house as they needed on a suburban postage stamp yard in a neighborhood full of nearly identical houses.

The 924/944 crowd already has a good-sized modder community (essentially what Singer is doing). There are plenty of gorgeous cars out there that have been tastefully enhanced.

ChristianR

hmm, dunno about that. i love the look and style of the 928. one of the few cars i have owned and sold and regretted it. all I'm saying is when people think of "porsche" 99.5% of them think 911, not 928, it was the bastard child