Supercharged '91 GT Refresh
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I would not suggest reducing the compression even more.
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That's right but it's nice to know if a leakdown points to a direction that has an abvious problem then to try to find it and hope not to miss it.
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Alright. the engine is completely disassembled, so forget the leakdown test and numbers. Maybe I should have run it at a higher test psi, I just followed the instructions that came with the tester... The main point was that all the valves seemed to be fully seated (which is what I expected).
I read extensively last night on the procedure for re-ringing an Alusil block. Basically, you lightly scotch-bright the cylinders with some ATF to clean all the crap out of the bores. Then you use felt pads on a hone and the Sunnen AN-30 paste and go to town for about 90 seconds. Then re-ring. Done. Seems pretty easy and very low risk. I know there will be some people who say don't do it, but WTF... it's just a block. i have the bad Euro block I can test on to make sure I don't eff it up.
So I don't have much diagnosis yet. Just a crap load of disassembly. The only thing I did not take apart today was the girdle.
Picture time for all you boys and girls.
Today was very very cold! It started out at -2 F.
Covers started to come off. The recoated gears held up well for about 40k miles. I'll post a separate thread on that topic. The water pump still feels good and tight. I am very tempted to re-use it - but that might be tempting fate. It's only 8+ years old. I think it was changed in 2000 before I bought the car. We'll see.
The cam covers came off and the cams looks great for 170k miles. I thought there was some pitting the last time I opened the heads, but I couldn't see it today. I will inspect more closely later. Cams are baged for now. Two of the triple square bolts that hold the caps in place rounded out! I had to drill the heads off, but then the rest of the bolt come right out.
One of the offending bolts! Take that MFer!
The heads look okay. I was surprised at how bad the gaskets stained the them considering I used G-05 coolant and changed it at least twice over the past 5 years. Also quite a bit of carbon build up, but not like some I;ve seen.
Next up was the oil pan. A few of the studs came out... Oh well... I'll fix that later. The insides look pretty good.
Then all the pistons came out. All the bores look good. You can't tell from the pics, so I'll only post one to show you that there are no pistons. And sadly, I forgot to get a picture of the pistons. The rod bearings also look great - but those were replace about 6 years ago before I did the SCer when I did the oil pan gasket.
So here's where it stands as of today. I will separate the girdle and pull the crank out. Then My neighbor has a transmission shop where I can get the block washed. I will slowly start taking the heads apart and washing up all the little bits and pieces that I took off today. I have a coffee can with about 10 pounds of nuts and bolts!
I read extensively last night on the procedure for re-ringing an Alusil block. Basically, you lightly scotch-bright the cylinders with some ATF to clean all the crap out of the bores. Then you use felt pads on a hone and the Sunnen AN-30 paste and go to town for about 90 seconds. Then re-ring. Done. Seems pretty easy and very low risk. I know there will be some people who say don't do it, but WTF... it's just a block. i have the bad Euro block I can test on to make sure I don't eff it up.
So I don't have much diagnosis yet. Just a crap load of disassembly. The only thing I did not take apart today was the girdle.
Picture time for all you boys and girls.
Today was very very cold! It started out at -2 F.
Covers started to come off. The recoated gears held up well for about 40k miles. I'll post a separate thread on that topic. The water pump still feels good and tight. I am very tempted to re-use it - but that might be tempting fate. It's only 8+ years old. I think it was changed in 2000 before I bought the car. We'll see.
The cam covers came off and the cams looks great for 170k miles. I thought there was some pitting the last time I opened the heads, but I couldn't see it today. I will inspect more closely later. Cams are baged for now. Two of the triple square bolts that hold the caps in place rounded out! I had to drill the heads off, but then the rest of the bolt come right out.
One of the offending bolts! Take that MFer!
The heads look okay. I was surprised at how bad the gaskets stained the them considering I used G-05 coolant and changed it at least twice over the past 5 years. Also quite a bit of carbon build up, but not like some I;ve seen.
Next up was the oil pan. A few of the studs came out... Oh well... I'll fix that later. The insides look pretty good.
Then all the pistons came out. All the bores look good. You can't tell from the pics, so I'll only post one to show you that there are no pistons. And sadly, I forgot to get a picture of the pistons. The rod bearings also look great - but those were replace about 6 years ago before I did the SCer when I did the oil pan gasket.
So here's where it stands as of today. I will separate the girdle and pull the crank out. Then My neighbor has a transmission shop where I can get the block washed. I will slowly start taking the heads apart and washing up all the little bits and pieces that I took off today. I have a coffee can with about 10 pounds of nuts and bolts!
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Everything looks good to me AO. I look at those heads and think "what carbon?" don't look bad at all.
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Looking good, Andrew- ridiculous how much more space a disassembled engine takes up.....
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If you can read the tolerance group and there are no local heavy carbon build ups on the pistons then you don't have a carbon build up problem. There seems to be some pitting of the heads between the cylinders but doesn't look too bad. Looks like a well running engine.
These pictures are the total opposite of Rod's GT engine disassemble from last winter.
These pictures are the total opposite of Rod's GT engine disassemble from last winter.
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Some dents on the heads, seem fresh? Anyway, are you going to measure crank, bearings etc and possibly replace or "just" re-ring? If the latter there is no need to split the block or?
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The cheap HF tester only operates at 10psi. That's not enough to seal the rings. They work by cylinder pressure pushing them out against the bore walls. 10psi is also too low to get accurate readings. A very small error on the gauge results in massive errors in leak down readings. Run the test again at 100psi and you'll get more representative results.
All you need for a leak down tester is a pressure regulator and an inline gauge. Set the line pressure at 100psi. Then connect a hose with an inline gauge to the spark plug port and read the pressure. 90psi is 10% leak down. The only trick is that you have to hold the engine from rotating by having it in gear or by some other means. 100psi is enough to push the piston down unless you have it exactly at TDC and there is no moment pushing on the crank to turn it.
All you need for a leak down tester is a pressure regulator and an inline gauge. Set the line pressure at 100psi. Then connect a hose with an inline gauge to the spark plug port and read the pressure. 90psi is 10% leak down. The only trick is that you have to hold the engine from rotating by having it in gear or by some other means. 100psi is enough to push the piston down unless you have it exactly at TDC and there is no moment pushing on the crank to turn it.
How it works is you pressurize the first gauge to 100 psi. Then that pressure runs through the 1.0mmm hole to the cylinder. If the cylinder has a hole that is greater than 1.0mm the vessel (the cylinder) cannot get up to pressure. The feed is exhausted through whatever leak there is in the cylinder. The second gauge will read 0. If there is no leakage at all the second vessel (the cylinder) will pressurize up to the same pressure as before the orifice. The gauge will read 100psi. The reason to use 100 psi is the percentage calculation is really easy. If the second gauge reads 90psi you have 10% leakage.
Also in case he made it worse...
I would replace the mains as it had not been done before. He just did the rods 6 years ago so I would leave them alone, as they can be done (relatively) easy while in the car.
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C'mon now...
Wasn't entirely his fault. I think it had a lot to do with that aftermarket VSC unit he kept installing in the passenger area. I'm pretty sure the sensitivity was cranked on it most of the time....
(VSC = "Velocity Sensing and Control"...Geschwindigkeits Erkundung und Regelung for the purists).
(VSC = "Velocity Sensing and Control"...Geschwindigkeits Erkundung und Regelung for the purists).