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Old 10-29-2013, 05:27 PM
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Did IIHS ever test the 928? I've always been curious as to how the 928 would do in crash ratings, since things like the euro doors on my 928 don't seem to have much to keep them from caving in on me. Also wonder how it would do in the new small overlap tests they do....

Anyone have any donor cars they want to send to IIHS?
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Of course - all car models imported to the US have to undergo these type tests.
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Let's see, there was a picture of a GT upside down which I posted, the owner walked away, then there were some people who spun their car and nothing but a big dent, Greg posted a picture of a 928 which hugged a tree, there's the British guy who crashed his rally car. All walked away. The only guy who didn't walk away was the suicide in Florida (?), guy rear ended a semi at full speed. Even McVicar walked away from severe damage

I'd say the 928 is very crash resistant.
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Isn't McVicar the guy who had his 928 destroyed by a dumb bitch ex?
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Originally Posted by Randy V
Of course - all car models imported to the US have to undergo these type tests.
Actually no they don't. Porsche Cars are not crash tested by the IIHS or the NHTSA

None of the other 4 major countries that do test ratings test them either. The only data you can look at is information from actual accidents, where Porsche does score very well.
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Is that really true? I was under the impression that in order for any car to be sold in the US, it has to pass certain mandatory crash tests. I think it was even a minimum of 5 cars must be sent and are destroyed in the process. Wasn't that one of the main reasons why the 959 was not able to be legally registered in the US, because Porsche refused to scrap 5 of them?

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Originally Posted by brealytrent
I've always been curious as to how the 928 would do in crash ratings, since things like the euro doors on my 928 don't seem to have much to keep them from caving in on me. Also wonder how it would do in the new small overlap tests they do....
IMO, badly. It was very advanced for its time, but there has been so much progress in both active and passive safety systems. Other cars have got heavier too, which doesn't help.

Be careful out there.
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The 928 was excellent in crashes judging by how many have stories of being able to walk away after really heavy crashes. I have one in my yard now that saved the owners life when he aquaplaned at high speed into a concrete wall on the toll way. The car is totaled, front and rear suspension busted, frame bent and yes both doors open perfectly. I let my daughter drive a 928 because I felt it was one of the strongest cars out there.

Ask Michael Willhoit about how a 928 saved his life.
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Originally Posted by ROG100
The 928 was excellent in crashes judging by how many have stories of being able to walk away after really heavy crashes. I have one in my yard now that saved the owners life when he aquaplaned at high speed into a concrete wall on the toll way. The car is totaled, front and rear suspension busted, frame bent and yes both doors open perfectly. I let my daughter drive a 928 because I felt it was one of the strongest cars out there.

Ask Michael Willhoit about how a 928 saved his life.
http://flatsixes.com/cars/porsche-92...nced-a-career/

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The 928 was excellent for its time. But compared to today's modern cars, even the late model 928s lack important safety features, including side and head air bags, belt tensioners and force limiters, height adjustments for the belts on the B-Pillar, or any of the modern electronics to prevent accidents from happening in the first place (yes, with a 928, you still need to know how to drive!).

In addition, the front structures of modern cars are much, much easier to repair after a crash.

Things change, and good cars will be surpassed by better ones. It took a long time for the 928 to be surpassed. While it is still pretty good, it certainly no longer leads by today's standards.
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Originally Posted by dprantl
Is that really true? I was under the impression that in order for any car to be sold in the US, it has to pass certain mandatory crash tests. I think it was even a minimum of 5 cars must be sent and are destroyed in the process. Wasn't that one of the main reasons why the 959 was not able to be legally registered in the US, because Porsche refused to scrap 5 of them?

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True. The Porsche 959 was not legalized for street use in the US since Porsche wouldn't give DOT any examples for crash testing. An epic car well above its time. Wish I had one.
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Originally Posted by dprantl
Is that really true? I was under the impression that in order for any car to be sold in the US, it has to pass certain mandatory crash tests. I think it was even a minimum of 5 cars must be sent and are destroyed in the process. Wasn't that one of the main reasons why the 959 was not able to be legally registered in the US, because Porsche refused to scrap 5 of them?

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All cars sold in the US must meet all FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) regulations. This includes crash and many other requirements. However, FMVSS is not the same as IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety) that is an independent non-profit testing entity funded by the insurance industry that crashes cars and rates them. None of that testing is required by law and all IIHS tests are self funded. Many companies donate cars for them to test because the star rating system has become a major marketing tool for cars that perform well. If a test car is not donated IIHS has to buy the car to test it. Many expensive cars don't get tested because they cost so much and because they are low volume and don't represent a large % of the cars on the road.

What you've heard about the number of cars destroyed is completely false. No testing is actually required by law. The only requirement is that in order to sell the car in the US the manufacturer must certify that the car will meet all the requirements. Certification could be done with calculations or simulations, but often physical testing is cheaper and also leaves less chance of a miscalculation. With today's powerful computing/simulation tools much less physical testing is done. Designs are evaluated in the computer until the desired results are achieved then a single test is run to confirm that the simulation matches the physical test results.
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The 928 is much safer with airbags it's very stout. Still bad if you hit your head on the syeering wheel though.
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Yup the Wilhoit picture, a few over-turned ones (including a red GT), Greg's comments recently about one that had a 10 inch indent from a tree yet still had doors operate smoothly, a member here who walked away after mowing over a brick wall and the stolen one that went flying all confirm the strength of the 928 shell. The shape of the interior and the effectiveness of the belt restraint make it highly unlikely that you will be banging your head on the wheel.

The only thing to think about would be a t-bone and not having side impact bags. That can be reduced by not driving in inclement weather and paying attention at intersections. It's not a kid hauler, but for 1 or 2 adults its probably safer than most. According to Porsche door beams started as standard with MY 85.
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Originally Posted by dprantl
Is that really true? I was under the impression that in order for any car to be sold in the US, it has to pass certain mandatory crash tests. I think it was even a minimum of 5 cars must be sent and are destroyed in the process. Wasn't that one of the main reasons why the 959 was not able to be legally registered in the US, because Porsche refused to scrap 5 of them?

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I promise it is true. Go by one of the Porsche Centers in your area and look at a window sticker. You will not find any crash test ratings.


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