Thunderhill Video last weekend
#16
Just a note.....
“I don’t actually have to turn my head to look in the mirrors to see other cars—I automatically notice them with my peripheral vision, minimizing the chances of being surprised by a faster overtaking car.”
Excerpt From: Bentley, Ross. “Speed Secrets.” Motorbooks, 2010. iBooks.
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“I don’t actually have to turn my head to look in the mirrors to see other cars—I automatically notice them with my peripheral vision, minimizing the chances of being surprised by a faster overtaking car.”
Excerpt From: Bentley, Ross. “Speed Secrets.” Motorbooks, 2010. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.
"Here we go....."
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#17
Have fun racing by the books folks.
I'll tell you what causes AMETEUR **** ups the most.
It's books.
I know, because I review the outcome of those mistakes at least 15 days a month.
Conscious awareness is hard to learn, it needs forced. When you're a pro, and you can do 99% of your driving duty subconsciously at a 75-80 heart rate, then you can write a book.
Entering some racing classes would help too. Entirely different world than tracking.
I'll tell you what causes AMETEUR **** ups the most.
It's books.
I know, because I review the outcome of those mistakes at least 15 days a month.
Conscious awareness is hard to learn, it needs forced. When you're a pro, and you can do 99% of your driving duty subconsciously at a 75-80 heart rate, then you can write a book.
Entering some racing classes would help too. Entirely different world than tracking.
#18
Jeff........I understand that you are a hard core NASA guy....and anyone that doesn't run with your group is dirt....I get it.....
I respect your racing experience and status as race director and the help you have given me in the past..... But seriously.....you tend to be overly negative.... I gotta admit I plan on getting my NASA license this year and running with you guys, BUT the cost is quite high....sure running with "other" groups makes "us" not real racers and only DE guys.....but $$$$ is $$$ in that world.....
I respect Rick enough to let him race with me in Lemons, in MY car....you were our crew chief in that event....and I am glad to have you, since you solved the helmet fire issue the broken fuel pump I caused happened... However I am big believer in positive encouragement vs negative......its a management perspective
my wife is a high level manager for a 26 billion (annual sales) company does this.... You also work for a LARGE company (NASA is super small in terms of $$$).....sugar gets you much more than sour.... Its all about ENCOURAGING new people to join your group....not scare them.....
With that said....I will be there for the April NASA event at Thunderhill.....comp license eval on saturday....hopefully something else on Sunday since its EXPENSIVE......
I respect your racing experience and status as race director and the help you have given me in the past..... But seriously.....you tend to be overly negative.... I gotta admit I plan on getting my NASA license this year and running with you guys, BUT the cost is quite high....sure running with "other" groups makes "us" not real racers and only DE guys.....but $$$$ is $$$ in that world.....
I respect Rick enough to let him race with me in Lemons, in MY car....you were our crew chief in that event....and I am glad to have you, since you solved the helmet fire issue the broken fuel pump I caused happened... However I am big believer in positive encouragement vs negative......its a management perspective
my wife is a high level manager for a 26 billion (annual sales) company does this.... You also work for a LARGE company (NASA is super small in terms of $$$).....sugar gets you much more than sour.... Its all about ENCOURAGING new people to join your group....not scare them.....
With that said....I will be there for the April NASA event at Thunderhill.....comp license eval on saturday....hopefully something else on Sunday since its EXPENSIVE......
#19
Well said Brian, I made a note to self about ever posting any video of any of my track episodes with the thought that I would have to endure that extensive of an unsolicited public critique. Totally over the top & not necessary in the manner it was done.
#20
Jeff........I understand that you are a hard core NASA guy....and anyone that doesn't run with your group is dirt....I get it.....
I respect your racing experience and status as race director and the help you have given me in the past..... But seriously.....you tend to be overly negative
I respect your racing experience and status as race director and the help you have given me in the past..... But seriously.....you tend to be overly negative
Negativity is the closed side of input, and you..yourself, have commented that lapping operates under a different structure than racing.
I'm not disagreeing with that.
I look forward to your, book.
#21
I wanted to resurrect this post because of a couple of things I didn't comment on when I initially read it. It has to do with the dogmatic way in which some people give advice.
First - I don't see how someone could watch Rich's video and say so definitively that he was FIXATED on the car ahead of him to the exclusion of seeing anything else. While I agree that visual awareness of track activities is extremely important, I saw his head check side mirrors several times and with a really good wide angle center mirror and the peripheral vision of someone younger than me, it's entirely possible that he was fully aware of what was going on around him. He may also have been doing exactly what he said he was doing, which was trying to practice closely following another car. In an effort to come off as the expert we are not, sometimes we are way too quick to post our amateur opinions as if they are gospel.
Second - I agree with Kibort that a vast majority of accomplished drivers keep their hands at a relatively fixed position, it isn't the only effective way to drive a race car on a road course. There are very competent drivers who, for one reason or another, shuffle steer. One of the absolute best 928 drivers I have ever watched or ridden with is Scott Mann, head driving instructor for PCA Las Vegas Region and the owner of Renegade Hybrids. Could care less about racing, but is very aware of who is the fastest on track. A shuffle steering maniac. And, I shuffle steer on really tight tracks. A habit I will have to break if I ever finish the paddle shift system in my car.
Hopefully, no one will read this and it will fall into thread obscurity. But, I feel better for having posted it. Bye now.
First - I don't see how someone could watch Rich's video and say so definitively that he was FIXATED on the car ahead of him to the exclusion of seeing anything else. While I agree that visual awareness of track activities is extremely important, I saw his head check side mirrors several times and with a really good wide angle center mirror and the peripheral vision of someone younger than me, it's entirely possible that he was fully aware of what was going on around him. He may also have been doing exactly what he said he was doing, which was trying to practice closely following another car. In an effort to come off as the expert we are not, sometimes we are way too quick to post our amateur opinions as if they are gospel.
Second - I agree with Kibort that a vast majority of accomplished drivers keep their hands at a relatively fixed position, it isn't the only effective way to drive a race car on a road course. There are very competent drivers who, for one reason or another, shuffle steer. One of the absolute best 928 drivers I have ever watched or ridden with is Scott Mann, head driving instructor for PCA Las Vegas Region and the owner of Renegade Hybrids. Could care less about racing, but is very aware of who is the fastest on track. A shuffle steering maniac. And, I shuffle steer on really tight tracks. A habit I will have to break if I ever finish the paddle shift system in my car.
Hopefully, no one will read this and it will fall into thread obscurity. But, I feel better for having posted it. Bye now.