View Poll Results: What should Chuck do with the 928 Registry?
928 Registry - I've read post #1 and I thoughtfully say sell it!
66
73.33%
928 Registry - I've read post #1 and I thoughtfully say donate it to the OC!
19
21.11%
928 Registry - I haven't read the post and I do not have an opinion.
5
5.56%
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928 Registry website
09-18-2012, 11:40 PM
#76
09-18-2012, 11:44 PM
#78
Rennlist Member
It is an auto-spammer, the text that gets posted is always taken from a previous post, so the context makes sense. Just before he disappeared (Thanks, Mod's!) he had eight posts in 3 minutes, all current threads and repeating a one-line post from someone else.
09-18-2012, 11:47 PM
#81
Carry on, nothing to see here.
09-19-2012, 09:45 AM
#82
We do ask for a VIN during registration, and we do currently have 931 VINs on file, out of 1,456 members (we do not require ownership to be a member, we welcome all intersted in the Cayman). I do not display those VINs publicly, because many owners of newer cars act like a VIN is a Social Security Number. They get squeamish about sharing it if its public.
I have shared the Cayman Register as an example of what is possible inside the PCA, not necessarily as an example of what I think should be done with the 928 Registry. If you like certain components, dislike others, and want so suggest new unique benefits, that's all good. Grab a piece of paper, and start an outline. We have a virtual clean sheet of paper and can accomplish almost anything we put our mind to.
Take your time. Think out the many options. I sense there is no urgency to decide by a certain date. Whip up a list of questions, suggestions and comments. What do you envision for the future of the registry? What would it look like? Would it have interactive forums? Self serve photo storage? VIN registry? When you have a good idea of what you might like to see, please give me a call (I'm in the Eastern Time Zone). We can discuss what is and is not possible. I think you will find that the boundaries (inside the PCA) are much broader than you think. If you think that working with the PCA might be a remote possibility, I'd be happy to whip up a sample site for your review and criticism. If you don't like it and decide otherwise, we press the delete button.
The content may be sell-able, if you in fact are the sole copyright holder / original author. I believe you mentioned earlier that part of your registry terms were that "all contributions become property of the 928 Registry". Terms like this are pretty common, but they really are not legal nor are they enforcable.
When someone creates any written piece of work, that work is immediately and automatically copyrighted and sole property of the author. The author does not have to register the work for it to be protected by copyright. There is one way, and only one way in which a copyright can be transfered, and that is by way of written contract and usually requires financial exchange of some type (even $1). Because of this, a written set of terms like yours really won't hold up if challenged in court, and if any of the content you wish to sell was not written by you, and you do not hold a written and signed contract depicting that the copyright has been transfered to you, you may not be able to sell that either (without the risk of civil liability). You are free to sell any work you authored and/or legally own.
There is a Good Video that I share with our register moderators, since we all need to be aware of copyright law. I have many other resources on this topic. When I created the Cayman Register, I posted some of my works. I was accused of violating the copyright of another forum owner, who believed that he held a copyright to my work because I had posted those works on his site (and he had similar set of terms claiming ownership). Lucky for me, I was now with the PCA, so I had their legal team at my disposal. They helped make me an expert in copyright law. Not only did I keep my works posted at the Cayman Register, I then promptly removed them from the other site, because I could.
In regard to the docs, I'm not sure what your docs are. Documents like brochures, technical writings, owner's manuals, etc.... are the same. If you didn't write or create them, you don't own them and can't sell them. If you did create them, then you may.
09-19-2012, 10:28 AM
#83
Nordschleife Master
The part that bothers me about selling is that the owner of the website profits while the true value is provided by the individuals who contributed the information.
It's like Rennlist itself. Mr. Dunkle built the website but the value is in the community feeling and the work done by individuals to provide information and answers.
Since IB has made this a for-profit website I put very little time into helping people. I used to answer a lot of questions and would find myself putting 15 or 20 minutes into a single response. Going to the garage to check things. Looking up parts and info on line. All that stuff. Someone else will provide an answer anyways. Why spend my time?
If ya sell the 928 Registry, I want my page removed.
It's like Rennlist itself. Mr. Dunkle built the website but the value is in the community feeling and the work done by individuals to provide information and answers.
Since IB has made this a for-profit website I put very little time into helping people. I used to answer a lot of questions and would find myself putting 15 or 20 minutes into a single response. Going to the garage to check things. Looking up parts and info on line. All that stuff. Someone else will provide an answer anyways. Why spend my time?
If ya sell the 928 Registry, I want my page removed.
09-19-2012, 10:48 AM
#84
The part that bothers me about selling is that the owner of the website profits while the true value is provided by the individuals who contributed the information.
It's like Rennlist itself. Mr. Dunkle built the website but the value is in the community feeling and the work done by individuals to provide information and answers.
Since IB has made this a for-profit website I put very little time into helping people. I used to answer a lot of questions and would find myself putting 15 or 20 minutes into a single response. Going to the garage to check things. Looking up parts and info on line. All that stuff. Someone else will provide an answer anyways. Why spend my time?
If ya sell the 928 Registry, I want my page removed.
It's like Rennlist itself. Mr. Dunkle built the website but the value is in the community feeling and the work done by individuals to provide information and answers.
Since IB has made this a for-profit website I put very little time into helping people. I used to answer a lot of questions and would find myself putting 15 or 20 minutes into a single response. Going to the garage to check things. Looking up parts and info on line. All that stuff. Someone else will provide an answer anyways. Why spend my time?
If ya sell the 928 Registry, I want my page removed.
09-19-2012, 10:48 AM
#85
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At the Cayman Register, VIN tracking is a less important component, as the Cayman is a much more mass produced, and still currently produced model, so we/I have not spent a lot of time developing the conventional "Registry List". Instead we've spent more time bringing owners together, both online and in person.
We do ask for a VIN during registration, and we do currently have 931 VINs on file, out of 1,456 members (we do not require ownership to be a member, we welcome all intersted in the Cayman). I do not display those VINs publicly, because many owners of newer cars act like a VIN is a Social Security Number. They get squeamish about sharing it if its public.
I have shared the Cayman Register as an example of what is possible inside the PCA, not necessarily as an example of what I think should be done with the 928 Registry. If you like certain components, dislike others, and want so suggest new unique benefits, that's all good. Grab a piece of paper, and start an outline. We have a virtual clean sheet of paper and can accomplish almost anything we put our mind to.
Take your time. Think out the many options. I sense there is no urgency to decide by a certain date. Whip up a list of questions, suggestions and comments. What do you envision for the future of the registry? What would it look like? Would it have interactive forums? Self serve photo storage? VIN registry? When you have a good idea of what you might like to see, please give me a call (I'm in the Eastern Time Zone). We can discuss what is and is not possible. I think you will find that the boundaries (inside the PCA) are much broader than you think. If you think that working with the PCA might be a remote possibility, I'd be happy to whip up a sample site for your review and criticism. If you don't like it and decide otherwise, we press the delete button.
The domain may not be sell-able, if "928" is in fact a registered trademark (I'm honestly not sure if it is, but I suspect it is).
The content may be sell-able, if you in fact are the sole copyright holder / original author. I believe you mentioned earlier that part of your registry terms were that "all contributions become property of the 928 Registry". Terms like this are pretty common, but they really are not legal nor are they enforcable.
When someone creates any written piece of work, that work is immediately and automatically copyrighted and sole property of the author. The author does not have to register the work for it to be protected by copyright. There is one way, and only one way in which a copyright can be transfered, and that is by way of written contract and usually requires financial exchange of some type (even $1). Because of this, a written set of terms like yours really won't hold up if challenged in court, and if any of the content you wish to sell was not written by you, and you do not hold a written and signed contract depicting that the copyright has been transfered to you, you may not be able to sell that either (without the risk of civil liability). You are free to sell any work you authored and/or legally own.
There is a Good Video that I share with our register moderators, since we all need to be aware of copyright law. I have many other resources on this topic. When I created the Cayman Register, I posted some of my works. I was accused of violating the copyright of another forum owner, who believed that he held a copyright to my work because I had posted those works on his site (and he had similar set of terms claiming ownership). Lucky for me, I was now with the PCA, so I had their legal team at my disposal. They helped make me an expert in copyright law. Not only did I keep my works posted at the Cayman Register, I then promptly removed them from the other site, because I could.
In regard to the docs, I'm not sure what your docs are. Documents like brochures, technical writings, owner's manuals, etc.... are the same. If you didn't write or create them, you don't own them and can't sell them. If you did create them, then you may.
We do ask for a VIN during registration, and we do currently have 931 VINs on file, out of 1,456 members (we do not require ownership to be a member, we welcome all intersted in the Cayman). I do not display those VINs publicly, because many owners of newer cars act like a VIN is a Social Security Number. They get squeamish about sharing it if its public.
I have shared the Cayman Register as an example of what is possible inside the PCA, not necessarily as an example of what I think should be done with the 928 Registry. If you like certain components, dislike others, and want so suggest new unique benefits, that's all good. Grab a piece of paper, and start an outline. We have a virtual clean sheet of paper and can accomplish almost anything we put our mind to.
Take your time. Think out the many options. I sense there is no urgency to decide by a certain date. Whip up a list of questions, suggestions and comments. What do you envision for the future of the registry? What would it look like? Would it have interactive forums? Self serve photo storage? VIN registry? When you have a good idea of what you might like to see, please give me a call (I'm in the Eastern Time Zone). We can discuss what is and is not possible. I think you will find that the boundaries (inside the PCA) are much broader than you think. If you think that working with the PCA might be a remote possibility, I'd be happy to whip up a sample site for your review and criticism. If you don't like it and decide otherwise, we press the delete button.
The domain may not be sell-able, if "928" is in fact a registered trademark (I'm honestly not sure if it is, but I suspect it is).
The content may be sell-able, if you in fact are the sole copyright holder / original author. I believe you mentioned earlier that part of your registry terms were that "all contributions become property of the 928 Registry". Terms like this are pretty common, but they really are not legal nor are they enforcable.
When someone creates any written piece of work, that work is immediately and automatically copyrighted and sole property of the author. The author does not have to register the work for it to be protected by copyright. There is one way, and only one way in which a copyright can be transfered, and that is by way of written contract and usually requires financial exchange of some type (even $1). Because of this, a written set of terms like yours really won't hold up if challenged in court, and if any of the content you wish to sell was not written by you, and you do not hold a written and signed contract depicting that the copyright has been transfered to you, you may not be able to sell that either (without the risk of civil liability). You are free to sell any work you authored and/or legally own.
There is a Good Video that I share with our register moderators, since we all need to be aware of copyright law. I have many other resources on this topic. When I created the Cayman Register, I posted some of my works. I was accused of violating the copyright of another forum owner, who believed that he held a copyright to my work because I had posted those works on his site (and he had similar set of terms claiming ownership). Lucky for me, I was now with the PCA, so I had their legal team at my disposal. They helped make me an expert in copyright law. Not only did I keep my works posted at the Cayman Register, I then promptly removed them from the other site, because I could.
In regard to the docs, I'm not sure what your docs are. Documents like brochures, technical writings, owner's manuals, etc.... are the same. If you didn't write or create them, you don't own them and can't sell them. If you did create them, then you may.
As far as the copywritght stuff, Porsche could go after most ALL of the 928 parts suppliers, several other P-car specific registries and countless other websites that use model designations (some for profit). I don't see it happening.
Last edited by Chuck Z; 09-19-2012 at 10:55 AM. Reason: I can't spell....
09-19-2012, 10:52 AM
#86
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The part that bothers me about selling is that the owner of the website profits while the true value is provided by the individuals who contributed the information.
It's like Rennlist itself. Mr. Dunkle built the website but the value is in the community feeling and the work done by individuals to provide information and answers.
Since IB has made this a for-profit website I put very little time into helping people. I used to answer a lot of questions and would find myself putting 15 or 20 minutes into a single response. Going to the garage to check things. Looking up parts and info on line. All that stuff. Someone else will provide an answer anyways. Why spend my time?
If ya sell the 928 Registry, I want my page removed.
It's like Rennlist itself. Mr. Dunkle built the website but the value is in the community feeling and the work done by individuals to provide information and answers.
Since IB has made this a for-profit website I put very little time into helping people. I used to answer a lot of questions and would find myself putting 15 or 20 minutes into a single response. Going to the garage to check things. Looking up parts and info on line. All that stuff. Someone else will provide an answer anyways. Why spend my time?
If ya sell the 928 Registry, I want my page removed.
09-19-2012, 11:23 AM
#87
Nordschleife Master
The part that bothers me about selling is that the owner of the website profits while the true value is provided by the individuals who contributed the information.
It's like Rennlist itself. Mr. Dunkle built the website but the value is in the community feeling and the work done by individuals to provide information and answers.
Since IB has made this a for-profit website I put very little time into helping people. I used to answer a lot of questions and would find myself putting 15 or 20 minutes into a single response. Going to the garage to check things. Looking up parts and info on line. All that stuff. Someone else will provide an answer anyways. Why spend my time?
If ya sell the 928 Registry, I want my page removed.
It's like Rennlist itself. Mr. Dunkle built the website but the value is in the community feeling and the work done by individuals to provide information and answers.
Since IB has made this a for-profit website I put very little time into helping people. I used to answer a lot of questions and would find myself putting 15 or 20 minutes into a single response. Going to the garage to check things. Looking up parts and info on line. All that stuff. Someone else will provide an answer anyways. Why spend my time?
If ya sell the 928 Registry, I want my page removed.
Wow !
09-19-2012, 11:43 AM
#88
09-19-2012, 12:00 PM
#89
Thanks for your perspective. Regardless of current production or not, in my opinion, if you do not list cars by VIN (you do not have to publish the entire VIN, just the last 4 or 5?) it's really just a social site and I understand your perspective on that one. As far as people worrying about having a VIN published and equating it to a SS#? That's ridiculous b/c anyone on the street can walk up to their car and get the VIN. With all of the privacy laws these days you can't even get service records from a dealer unless you are the current owner of the car...... Unfounded worry.
How would you envision the listing of cars and VINs and what value does that bring to the registry? (That is a very serious question. I am not being a wise guy but want to fully understand so I can possibly bring more value to my group.) I can certainly see how it could be very valuable information down the road, when the models are hard to find and you want to track every last example. But I'm not sure my understanding is comple.
Another benefit I an see, is when talking to Porsche I/we can say "we have X VINs recorded in our group" which shows a real collection of force. Are there other benefits and/or functionality that I'm missing?
09-19-2012, 12:10 PM
#90