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#16
You don't need to be the smartest, you only need to be able to read and follow directions, or follow those given to ya. Everything you need to get your car to where you want it is right here on Rennlist. Sorry if my advice is the same to you, but get the car going as it came from the factory and then mod the hell out of it. Most are surprised at the level of performance these cars have stock.
You have the advantage of the resources of the track guys, they will be your number two resource. The first will be those that get you up to stock and then move to the guys who are beating the **** out of theirs every weekend.
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You don't need to be the smartest, you only need to be able to read and follow directions, or follow those given to ya. Everything you need to get your car to where you want it is right here on Rennlist. Sorry if my advice is the same to you, but get the car going as it came from the factory and then mod the hell out of it. Most are surprised at the level of performance these cars have stock.
You have the advantage of the resources of the track guys, they will be your number two resource. The first will be those that get you up to stock and then move to the guys who are beating the **** out of theirs every weekend.
I have a hard time following directions cuz I get confused easily and frustrated,
#19
Nordschleife Master
I've seen pictures but Sean has too many guns and shovels!
Seriously though, follow Sean's advice. If you think you're overwhelmed now, all I have to say is welcome to life! What you're experiencing is just a very very SMALL portion of what you will face in life!
So man up, realize that you can't do it all how you want. Accept this and do it as you can! My car has very little interior right now. I focus too much on the mechanicals. I'd like to do a full rob budd interior, but that's probably 5-10 years down the road.
Seriously though, follow Sean's advice. If you think you're overwhelmed now, all I have to say is welcome to life! What you're experiencing is just a very very SMALL portion of what you will face in life!
So man up, realize that you can't do it all how you want. Accept this and do it as you can! My car has very little interior right now. I focus too much on the mechanicals. I'd like to do a full rob budd interior, but that's probably 5-10 years down the road.
#21
Rennlist Member
At 16, I think it would VERY hard to appreciate a car of this age and complexity. It's not impossible and I think it says a lot for the 928 to be current with the next generation of drivers. This is an enthusiast car and your ownership experience relies heavily on you, as the owner. Most recommend that owners do their own maintenance as it isn't practical to pay others large sums of money to learn how to work on your car. Instead, learn it yourself and invest the savings in tools and parts. Many 928 owners find great satisfaction in keeping up with their cars themselves. Yes, you will be frustrated with it from time to time. Just don't lose sight of how rewarding it is when the car is right and you will be just fine.
Don't dump the 928 unless you must for good financial reasons. Obviously, you have an interest in it. I would recommend getting another car to rely on for daily transportation, however. Improve the Porsche a little at a time as your budget and time permit. By the time you are of college age, you could have a well sorted, dependable 928 and you as an owner would be far more educated about the car. It takes time to understand these cars correctly as nearly every aspect of these cars has such a tremendous amount of engineering associated. This was Porsche's flagship model. it was a misunderstood vehicle and it still is. This only makes them affordable for you and I who are willing to embrace it and its challenges.
Don't dump the 928 unless you must for good financial reasons. Obviously, you have an interest in it. I would recommend getting another car to rely on for daily transportation, however. Improve the Porsche a little at a time as your budget and time permit. By the time you are of college age, you could have a well sorted, dependable 928 and you as an owner would be far more educated about the car. It takes time to understand these cars correctly as nearly every aspect of these cars has such a tremendous amount of engineering associated. This was Porsche's flagship model. it was a misunderstood vehicle and it still is. This only makes them affordable for you and I who are willing to embrace it and its challenges.
#22
Rennlist Member
not trying to be a jerk but people like you are what is wrong with these cars. people with no mechanical skills, no ambition to learn about them, and not nearly deep enough pockets to have someone else fix them.
They buy them because they are a cheap supercar and then either destroy them or let them fall apart.
everyone here is giving you GOOD advise, but it in not what you want to hear, so you are not listening, and just keep coming back posting the same thing...
you live in pebble beach, your family obviously has decent income.... get a job, get cheap honda to get around... fix what is necessary to drive safely on the 928, then drive it....and keep fixing things until it's great...
this is a life lesson for you:
1. don't dive into deep water unless you can swim..
2. most things in life take time, unless you have DEEP pockets... money can speed up everything... to a point.
They buy them because they are a cheap supercar and then either destroy them or let them fall apart.
everyone here is giving you GOOD advise, but it in not what you want to hear, so you are not listening, and just keep coming back posting the same thing...
you live in pebble beach, your family obviously has decent income.... get a job, get cheap honda to get around... fix what is necessary to drive safely on the 928, then drive it....and keep fixing things until it's great...
this is a life lesson for you:
1. don't dive into deep water unless you can swim..
2. most things in life take time, unless you have DEEP pockets... money can speed up everything... to a point.
#23
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Ricky
Since I "started" this.......................here is my thinking behind the concept..... You want a "track" 928 & your dads is a full racer, not street legal. I also think you want a car you can still drive on the street, but can perform better than a full weight street 928 on the track (think sloppy)......
SO.....gut your car to the bone.........get a 1/2 bar (like Devek) new seats and harnesses.....a free flow exhaust (for the two years you don't have to smog) BUT keep the power windows so you can seal up the car for the drives to-from the track....
You can get car down to around 3000lbs fairly easy......losing that 500lbs will really improve the cars handling-braking..... plus still drive it to school occasionally.....keeping the automatic also is a GREAT idea while you are learning......thats how I learned and I don't regret it one bit....
It will cost MORE to fix up the little things + cosmetics than it will do gut it out.....
Since I "started" this.......................here is my thinking behind the concept..... You want a "track" 928 & your dads is a full racer, not street legal. I also think you want a car you can still drive on the street, but can perform better than a full weight street 928 on the track (think sloppy)......
SO.....gut your car to the bone.........get a 1/2 bar (like Devek) new seats and harnesses.....a free flow exhaust (for the two years you don't have to smog) BUT keep the power windows so you can seal up the car for the drives to-from the track....
You can get car down to around 3000lbs fairly easy......losing that 500lbs will really improve the cars handling-braking..... plus still drive it to school occasionally.....keeping the automatic also is a GREAT idea while you are learning......thats how I learned and I don't regret it one bit....
It will cost MORE to fix up the little things + cosmetics than it will do gut it out.....
#24
Race Director
OR sell your 928 and take a huge loss......and buy one like Porkens 86.5 that is almost a full racer...HOWEVER his car IS too powerful for you right now.....
I do like the idea of putting your dads current engine in another 928 and running that.....I know of car that might be perfect..... 16V 928's are much cheaper to buy-run than S4's
I do like the idea of putting your dads current engine in another 928 and running that.....I know of car that might be perfect..... 16V 928's are much cheaper to buy-run than S4's
#25
Rennlist Member
I don't know much of your story, but from what I hear i'd say its time to figure out how best to cut your losses. And old exotic performance car is going to take a HUGE amount of work and time and commitment and resources from you to get or keep running in ANY situation. If you don't have the time or resources you just cannot do it right now. And forget about track time. In my experience racing is at least 10x more time wrenching than driving. How about a Honda for the street and a shifter cart for racing?
The more you disassemble or modify whatever it you have the harder it will be to sell if you cannot finish the project.
The more you disassemble or modify whatever it you have the harder it will be to sell if you cannot finish the project.
#26
Three Wheelin'
If it's really NOT worth it for you. Sell the car, and buy a Honda like Randy suggested, or another car like a Mustang you can easily find LOTS of aftermarket parts for, and beat the crap out of it.
Let someone else take care of your 928. Since that's basically what you're asking for anyway.
Let someone else take care of your 928. Since that's basically what you're asking for anyway.
#27
Nordschleife Master
I see that by following your posts.
Rennlist will help you.
First, follow our directions to get the basics back to shape like your speedo and hvac problems, etc.
Once you get the basics done, your car will function surprisingly well.
If you still want to do the 'mods', fine - First get her up to shape.
Try to set goals such as one fix at a time. Do the fix right, then move to the next.
Make yourself a list.
#28
Rennlist Member
87 black and tan is a nice combo. You would have more fun on the track in a Miata : Cheap to crash and fun to drive on auto-x and DE days. Fix the 928, don't ruin it. -it makes a nice street euro-gt car.
If you're really determined to track a 928 get a 16v car from craigslist or somewhere - Way cheaper sheet-metal and other parts..
If you're really determined to track a 928 get a 16v car from craigslist or somewhere - Way cheaper sheet-metal and other parts..
#29
Rennlist Member
Ricky, never say that you can't work on these cars. You can do anything you want, if it is important to you.
Take some time off and read this book, please. The title is misleading, it is not about motorcycles.
Cheers,
Take some time off and read this book, please. The title is misleading, it is not about motorcycles.
Cheers,
#30
Rennlist Member
Sell the car and move on. Plenty of time to buy one when you are ready for it. If you aren't willing to dive in and work on it and don't have or won't save the funds, then what's the point of keeping the car. We give the same advice to adults who get into these cars over their heads all the time. You're on a slippery slope and headed in the wrong direction.
You've been given lots of good advice. The easiest thing to do would be to focus on what it would take to get the car to good, stock, running condition. Turning it into a track/street car isn't going to save you effort, time, or money. You'll just end up with something that is worth even less than what you have now.
You've been given lots of good advice. The easiest thing to do would be to focus on what it would take to get the car to good, stock, running condition. Turning it into a track/street car isn't going to save you effort, time, or money. You'll just end up with something that is worth even less than what you have now.