FS 1994 GTS 5 Spd $105K - 6 Cyl?
07-31-2012, 02:50 AM
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This is one of 19 US/Canada cars which were made between 01/93 and 08/93 ie during normal '93 MY production with VIN's WP0AA292_RS820061 - 820079. Porsche put '94 MY VIN into them to keep them looking fresh in dealer lot until 08/94 when '94 MY production ended. There is separate option code M718 for this abnormal setup. This allowed dealers to sell them as "new" cars much longer than if they were given normal '93 MY VIN.
At the time 928's were selling very slowly in US market so it made sense to use this trick. At same time factory did last '93 MY ROW cars. Both of these use same '93 MY colors, options and parts simply because '94 MY stuff wasn't available yet. Thus these 19 cars could not have Cup II wheels etc as parts didn't even exist at the time when they were made. They are '93 MY in every way except VIN.
In ROW markets there were no need to use similar tricks as buyers don't generally have a glue what MY their cars VIN says it is. They only care for first registration date. Until they realise their supposedly new car has been in dealer lot for years. Most ROW 928 buyers didn't have idea how old their car was when they bought it. It was new and they were happy. Now its little different as its mandatory to have manufacturing date visible in new cars.
At the time 928's were selling very slowly in US market so it made sense to use this trick. At same time factory did last '93 MY ROW cars. Both of these use same '93 MY colors, options and parts simply because '94 MY stuff wasn't available yet. Thus these 19 cars could not have Cup II wheels etc as parts didn't even exist at the time when they were made. They are '93 MY in every way except VIN.
In ROW markets there were no need to use similar tricks as buyers don't generally have a glue what MY their cars VIN says it is. They only care for first registration date. Until they realise their supposedly new car has been in dealer lot for years. Most ROW 928 buyers didn't have idea how old their car was when they bought it. It was new and they were happy. Now its little different as its mandatory to have manufacturing date visible in new cars.
08-01-2012, 01:05 AM
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I would like to own a GTS, and it is still a bargain when compared to used Aston Martin V8 Vantage, DB9(V12), or Ferrari 360, F430 . These cars all sell for between $60k to $125k . used. So any GTS priced $45k or less is a bargain! But the GTS is at a slight HP disadvantage at 350HP compared to Aston Vantage @380HP(08 and earlier), DB9 - 450HP, Ferrari 360 - 400HP, Ferrari F430 @483HP. Also a 550 Ferrari could be had @ $75K(485HP). Personally, if I had 100K to spend I would consider any of the above cars, just my 2Cents worth, and I own 3 928's. If the 928 was still being produced today it would sell for $150K . NEW. One 928 advantage is reasonable parts prices compared to the others above. Considering the 928 prices, they are a super bargain! Gives the average Joe like me a chance to own a super car for pennies on the dollar! this post may be a little off topic but I always compare cars.
08-01-2012, 01:23 AM
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Bill, I was just about to type your last line when I read it... Quite true. While a 928 is never going to be *CHEAP* to own, it will be compared to any of the other cars you listed. Not to mention prettier than all of them but the Aston's and I think we hold our own there. I really like the 360, but I certainly wouldn't say it is a pretty as the 928... I also agree that a very nice GTS below $45k with all maintenance current and in very good to excellent condition is indeed a bargain!
Bill, I was just about to type your last line when I read it... Quite true. While a 928 is never going to be *CHEAP* to own, it will be compared to any of the other cars you listed. Not to mention prettier than all of them but the Aston's and I think we hold our own there. I really like the 360, but I certainly wouldn't say it is a pretty as the 928... I also agree that a very nice GTS below $45k with all maintenance current and in very good to excellent condition is indeed a bargain!
08-01-2012, 01:44 AM
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Hi James: You are right, not many cars as beautiful as the 928, maybe the Aston, I also like the Maserati Gran Turismo looks wise(large car). The 360 is a very nice car but doesn't have the same lines as the 928, the only other car I like is the Aston Martin Vanquish or S version(latter has 510HP), very nice lines too. but no stick on the floor. The F430 is overpriced used, though with 483HP. Lastly, the 612 Scaglietti with 540HP in a stick would be the ultimate Luxo-exotic, a large car & expensive(100K, cheap for a used one)! Compared to all these the GTS is a bargain as you said. I see your up to 10 928's, maybe you'll catch Roger soon! (Secret King of the 928's number wise)! Bill
08-01-2012, 09:06 AM
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Guys, as someone who owns a 360... it's not as pretty as a 928.. it's prettier. :-)
I used to think my 928 was the best thing since sliced bread. I still love her after 15 years.. but the design however is.. a classic. The next closest thing IMHO is the Aston DB9. That I actually have been entertaining as a DD in the future. Pretty, yet understated.
FWIW, the Ferrari hasn't (knock on wood) been that bad ni the last 2 years. Once sorted it's as reliable as my 928 or Boxster. Parts are expensive and the service is pricey.. but it's not that bad in reality. If you can maintain a 928 and have done a master cylinder, any other car on earth is a breeze.
Curt
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79 928 5sp silver/blk
02 Boxster blk/blk/blk
99 360 Modena 3 pedal red/blk
I used to think my 928 was the best thing since sliced bread. I still love her after 15 years.. but the design however is.. a classic. The next closest thing IMHO is the Aston DB9. That I actually have been entertaining as a DD in the future. Pretty, yet understated.
FWIW, the Ferrari hasn't (knock on wood) been that bad ni the last 2 years. Once sorted it's as reliable as my 928 or Boxster. Parts are expensive and the service is pricey.. but it's not that bad in reality. If you can maintain a 928 and have done a master cylinder, any other car on earth is a breeze.
Curt
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79 928 5sp silver/blk
02 Boxster blk/blk/blk
99 360 Modena 3 pedal red/blk
08-01-2012, 09:19 AM
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08-01-2012, 09:35 AM
#67
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The lines on the 360 or just about any Ferrari are seductive to say the least. More so than the 928, which in her own right is beautiful.
My vote for most beautiful goes to the Aston Martin DB9 and Vanquish. That's just seductive and beautiful on a whole new level.
My vote for most beautiful goes to the Aston Martin DB9 and Vanquish. That's just seductive and beautiful on a whole new level.
Guys, as someone who owns a 360... it's not as pretty as a 928.. it's prettier. :-)
I used to think my 928 was the best thing since sliced bread. I still love her after 15 years.. but the design however is.. a classic. The next closest thing IMHO is the Aston DB9. That I actually have been entertaining as a DD in the future. Pretty, yet understated.
FWIW, the Ferrari hasn't (knock on wood) been that bad ni the last 2 years. Once sorted it's as reliable as my 928 or Boxster. Parts are expensive and the service is pricey.. but it's not that bad in reality. If you can maintain a 928 and have done a master cylinder, any other car on earth is a breeze.
Curt
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79 928 5sp silver/blk
02 Boxster blk/blk/blk
99 360 Modena 3 pedal red/blk
I used to think my 928 was the best thing since sliced bread. I still love her after 15 years.. but the design however is.. a classic. The next closest thing IMHO is the Aston DB9. That I actually have been entertaining as a DD in the future. Pretty, yet understated.
FWIW, the Ferrari hasn't (knock on wood) been that bad ni the last 2 years. Once sorted it's as reliable as my 928 or Boxster. Parts are expensive and the service is pricey.. but it's not that bad in reality. If you can maintain a 928 and have done a master cylinder, any other car on earth is a breeze.
Curt
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79 928 5sp silver/blk
02 Boxster blk/blk/blk
99 360 Modena 3 pedal red/blk
08-01-2012, 07:34 PM
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I don't think anyone will argue the beauty of a DB9! Those things are drop dead gorgeous! I like the Maser GranTurismo a bit more...it has a bit more excitement to it for me. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Curt, glad to hear that your 360 is not to bad to maintain. One of these days I'd like an F1 Spider 360! Or if I win the lottery a Cali...still something just about right for the 360 Spider! I think it is the best looking mid engine car out there for sure! I prefer it to the 430 (though I REALLY like the 16M) and I am just not a fan of the 458...the new McLaren is pretty hot looking...might prefer it to a 360, but need to see them together...
Curt, glad to hear that your 360 is not to bad to maintain. One of these days I'd like an F1 Spider 360! Or if I win the lottery a Cali...still something just about right for the 360 Spider! I think it is the best looking mid engine car out there for sure! I prefer it to the 430 (though I REALLY like the 16M) and I am just not a fan of the 458...the new McLaren is pretty hot looking...might prefer it to a 360, but need to see them together...
08-03-2012, 02:11 AM
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Hey Curt: Just how comfortable a ride is the 360, probably not up to the larger DB9, assuming both cars are sticks or F1 types? I've never ridden in a GTS but I would assume it would be very comfortable, I think the build quality of the 928 interiors is far and away better than the Porsches produced after the 993 model. The build quality of a new 911S is not worth 100K, porsches are now assembly line vehicles, not partially hand built like the 928 or 993 's produced back then. The Aston Vantage is even more beautiful than the DB9, although a V8, this car is the same size as a 928. Also in 2009 they increased the HP from 380 to 430. The Aston V12 version - Vantage stick is the last of the breed(510HP), in a 6spd stick .
08-03-2012, 11:01 AM
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Hey Curt: Just how comfortable a ride is the 360, probably not up to the larger DB9, assuming both cars are sticks or F1 types? I've never ridden in a GTS but I would assume it would be very comfortable, I think the build quality of the 928 interiors is far and away better than the Porsches produced after the 993 model. The build quality of a new 911S is not worth 100K, porsches are now assembly line vehicles, not partially hand built like the 928 or 993 's produced back then. The Aston Vantage is even more beautiful than the DB9, although a V8, this car is the same size as a 928. Also in 2009 they increased the HP from 380 to 430. The Aston V12 version - Vantage stick is the last of the breed(510HP), in a 6spd stick .
Agree the 991 is not worth the price. Mine is a stick and I LOVE it. Sat in a Vanqush a couple of weeks ago. VERY nice interior. It's either leather, alcantara or solid metal. I'm a stick guy so it didn't make my fancy. DBS for me.
My only gripe with my 79's interior after 30 years mind you.. is the dash plastic and quarter panel vinyl has started to discolor a tad and warp slightly in the heat. Leather wrap would solve it nicely. Turbo and supercharging works very well at leveling the field.. until the other car is turbo'd or supercharged. Then the field isn't level anymore. Apples to apples, oranges to oranges.
08-03-2012, 02:38 PM
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I can only repeat again what my neighbor said about the 928 and the AM V12 he had a few weeks back-the 928 is alive to drive; the AM has no life-too insulated.
Mind you I'll take an AM in my garage any day-any model-from any year (except that rebadge they did to get their UK MPG numbers down across the line).
Mind you I'll take an AM in my garage any day-any model-from any year (except that rebadge they did to get their UK MPG numbers down across the line).
08-03-2012, 03:56 PM
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Comparing cars to the 928 is a little misleading, there are many different 928 models and MANY different levels of maintenance/freshness within them. So it's anecdotal at best. I started a thread years back after I drove a 360 CS and a merc CLS 550. The only thing I really liked better on the ferrari were the brakes. Different strokes for different folks.
