AC hot shot freon
07-06-2012, 10:41 AM
#3
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Yeah I saw the sixty minutes episode about dangerous freon. The hot shot product is supposedly non flammable. My mechanic said it won't work without preping your car for 134A. The ad it's an exact replacement, like a synthetic replacement.
07-06-2012, 11:46 AM
#4
Race Car
http://www.icorinternational.com/images/hsmsds.pdf
R414B. It is a fractional of four different refrigerants, mostly R22 and R124. I am not sure what an "exact replacement means", but if you are saying it should be exactly like R12 or R134a, that is not true. One big problem with refrigerant mixes such as this one is that the different components have different weights and characteristics. If you get a leak, a disproportionate amount of one fraction may leak out leaving the system with something other than what it was originally filled with.
Dan
'91 928GT S/C
475hp/460lb.ft
R414B. It is a fractional of four different refrigerants, mostly R22 and R124. I am not sure what an "exact replacement means", but if you are saying it should be exactly like R12 or R134a, that is not true. One big problem with refrigerant mixes such as this one is that the different components have different weights and characteristics. If you get a leak, a disproportionate amount of one fraction may leak out leaving the system with something other than what it was originally filled with.
Dan
'91 928GT S/C
475hp/460lb.ft
07-06-2012, 12:08 PM
#5
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Noticed yesterday it's manufactured in Indiana
Here is the ebay ad
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Refrigerant 12 and R134a Replacement
UN # 3163
ASHRAE DESIGNATION: R-414B
"HOT SHOT"
Net WT. 10 ozs.
ICOR INTERNATIONAL
EPA Accepted
UL Classified
NON TOXIC
NON FLAMMABLE
Hot Shot
Replaces R-12, R-134a, R-401A, R-401B, R-409A, R-416A, R-420A, and R-500.
Hot Shot is the best R-12 replacement on the market—period. Here’s why;
The operating characteristics you need.
Hot Shot® almost exactly duplicates the operating characteristics of R-12.
Use it for low, medium, and high temperatures.
Use it in autos, aircraft, and boats.
Use it in air-conditioning and refrigeration systems—anywhere you used to use R-12.
With Hot Shot®, there is simply no need to inventory multiple gasses.
No systems modifications required.
Using Hot Shot® requires no inconvenient oil changes.
You’re good to go for the entire R-12 temperature range.
Plus, no expensive parts retrofits are required.
Proven quality and performance.
Hot Shot® is in use in thousands of vehicles and installations throughout the world.
You can use it with complete confidence.
Safe and responsible.
Hot Shot is classified by ASHRAE as nontoxic and nonflammable (A1) and is EPA/SNAP-accepted.
Here is the ebay ad
----------------------------------------------------
Refrigerant 12 and R134a Replacement
UN # 3163
ASHRAE DESIGNATION: R-414B
"HOT SHOT"
Net WT. 10 ozs.
ICOR INTERNATIONAL
EPA Accepted
UL Classified
NON TOXIC
NON FLAMMABLE
Hot Shot
Replaces R-12, R-134a, R-401A, R-401B, R-409A, R-416A, R-420A, and R-500.
Hot Shot is the best R-12 replacement on the market—period. Here’s why;
The operating characteristics you need.
Hot Shot® almost exactly duplicates the operating characteristics of R-12.
Use it for low, medium, and high temperatures.
Use it in autos, aircraft, and boats.
Use it in air-conditioning and refrigeration systems—anywhere you used to use R-12.
With Hot Shot®, there is simply no need to inventory multiple gasses.
No systems modifications required.
Using Hot Shot® requires no inconvenient oil changes.
You’re good to go for the entire R-12 temperature range.
Plus, no expensive parts retrofits are required.
Proven quality and performance.
Hot Shot® is in use in thousands of vehicles and installations throughout the world.
You can use it with complete confidence.
Safe and responsible.
Hot Shot is classified by ASHRAE as nontoxic and nonflammable (A1) and is EPA/SNAP-accepted.
07-06-2012, 04:11 PM
#6
Race Car
So this is interesting... this refrigerant contains 1.5% isobutane by weight. The reason for this is that it is able to carry mineral oil throughout the system to keep the compressor lubricated. The other fractions are not able to carry the mineral oil. Since isobutane appears to be the lightest out of the four fractions, guess which one is going out first in the event of a leak? Shortly thereafter when there is nothing in the system to carry around the mineral oil, there may be some strange noises occuring...
Dan
'91 928GT S/C 475hp/460lb.ft
Dan
'91 928GT S/C
475hp/460lb.ft
07-07-2012, 12:10 AM
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I recommend using only R-12 or R-134a for quite a few reasons. One is that it would be difficult to find a shop that will touch a vehicle that contains anything else.
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07-07-2012, 04:34 AM
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It does not say what they are asking for the product. You can find a can of R12 on line for about $30.
Arizona AC sells a generic oil that can be used with R-12 or R134a. R-12 has a lower boil off point and thus is more efficicent than R134a. Generally the system is designed to have more capacity when designing for R134a
Arizona AC sells a generic oil that can be used with R-12 or R134a. R-12 has a lower boil off point and thus is more efficicent than R134a. Generally the system is designed to have more capacity when designing for R134a
