GT Cam Damage - Endless Spending
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Larry that is very disappointing. I paid you top dollar. You represented the motor as in excellent shape. If I had sold you an engine with this severe a defect, even if I truly did not know about it, you can be sure that I would be either refunding you a significant amount of money, or taking it back in refund. Larry, I do hope my money brings you no happiness.
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Not sure what I am missing r.e. rod bearings. Oil from the heads goes back down to the pan and from there to the pickup, oil pump, and oil filter before going out the the bearings. I would think the oil filter would remove any metal residue that did not just sink to the bottom of the pan.
I already have a GTS engine in pieces. And i know that one has a good block, piston, rods, crank etc. If i have to do all this work, why would i do it on a GT motor with dead cams? The whole value of a GT motor are the cams. Aside from those it. Is just an S4 motor.
If Larry somehow didn't pull through here, i would build my GTS motor and in fact take a total loss on the now S4 motor because it is the same amount of work.
If Larry somehow didn't pull through here, i would build my GTS motor and in fact take a total loss on the now S4 motor because it is the same amount of work.
Yes, there are several things that could be done to help prevent it. The easiest and cheapest would be to shift before getting all the way to the top of the RPM range. GTs have a higher rev limiter setting than other models. Not a particularly good idea for a stock GT engine in my opinion, unless you like hammering chunks off of cam lobes.
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This might be legally right, but morally it is wrong.
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If the damage was not due to breakdown of oil film thickness and consequent metal to metal contact/scuffing/overheating, I'd be interested to hear your theory as to how the surfaces lost metal.
I'd also be interested to hear how you define and differentiate between damage and wear in this situation.
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Since Heinrich has decided to take this matter to the forum and imply that I need to "do right" by him and those others with similar thoughts, including the moron known as Randy V, who thinks I need to take care of Heinrich somehow or I'll be in line for a "Douche of the Year Award" (BTW Randy V - FU!), here are my latest thoughts on the subject:
If Heinrich had asked for a warranty, I would not have sold him the motor. End of story.
To all of you who think buying used car parts from a member of some forum you belong to entitles you to an implied warranty, GROW UP! It doesn't.
If I recall correctly, Heinrich was advised by Greg Brown to go a different direction with his GTS. But he didn't take that advise.
Heinrich says he has now found information in previous posts by Ernest SW that might hint at problems with the internals of the motor. He should have done that search prior to buying the motor. He knew who the PO was.
He also says he just now opened up the cam covers to discover the problem. Honestly don't recall when I sold him the motor, but it wasn't last week.
I recently blew a motor due to advise from Comp Cams that said you could cut the heads a certain way and found out you couldn't. $10k for a rebuild. Comp Cams acted like I was from outer space when I suggested that they pony up for the replacement.
Am I sorry Heinrich is having this problem.? Absolutely. However, I won't be assisting in the fix.
If Heinrich had asked for a warranty, I would not have sold him the motor. End of story.
To all of you who think buying used car parts from a member of some forum you belong to entitles you to an implied warranty, GROW UP! It doesn't.
If I recall correctly, Heinrich was advised by Greg Brown to go a different direction with his GTS. But he didn't take that advise.
Heinrich says he has now found information in previous posts by Ernest SW that might hint at problems with the internals of the motor. He should have done that search prior to buying the motor. He knew who the PO was.
He also says he just now opened up the cam covers to discover the problem. Honestly don't recall when I sold him the motor, but it wasn't last week.
I recently blew a motor due to advise from Comp Cams that said you could cut the heads a certain way and found out you couldn't. $10k for a rebuild. Comp Cams acted like I was from outer space when I suggested that they pony up for the replacement.
Am I sorry Heinrich is having this problem.? Absolutely. However, I won't be assisting in the fix.
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I had every intention of closing this thread down since I see no good coming from the dog pile that could ensue. With Z’s post being as informative as it is (as his posts usually are) I see a possible good coming from this discussion.
Please don’t make me regret this decision. Larry has said his piece, so have the rest of you. Take it offline if you have something to say about how you feel this transaction unfolded.
I disagree 100%
I do not know Larry from any random stranger on the street and I consider Heinrich a good friend, so it pains me to take this stance.
It all started here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-for-sale.html
Larry purchased a GT for a low enough sum to justify gutting the drivetrain (most people start with a battered shell for this purpose) and tossing it aside.
It wasn't even Larry who brought the engine to the forum and offered it, the previous owner did. Unless it was agreed that Larry would tear down the engine for a full inspection, or Ernest made some kind of effort to insure the engine was good, this is the text book example of an "as-is" scenario.
What would I do if I were Heinrich? Pop in S4 cams, inspect the cylinder bores and replace the rod bearings and call it a day.
Please don’t make me regret this decision. Larry has said his piece, so have the rest of you. Take it offline if you have something to say about how you feel this transaction unfolded.
I disagree 100%
I do not know Larry from any random stranger on the street and I consider Heinrich a good friend, so it pains me to take this stance.
It all started here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-for-sale.html
Larry purchased a GT for a low enough sum to justify gutting the drivetrain (most people start with a battered shell for this purpose) and tossing it aside.
It wasn't even Larry who brought the engine to the forum and offered it, the previous owner did. Unless it was agreed that Larry would tear down the engine for a full inspection, or Ernest made some kind of effort to insure the engine was good, this is the text book example of an "as-is" scenario.
What would I do if I were Heinrich? Pop in S4 cams, inspect the cylinder bores and replace the rod bearings and call it a day.
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In my state, there is a law that says unless I explicitly agreed to take the engine as-is, I have legal recourse. I did not agree to any such thing. So ... opinions abound, but that is the law of the land, and that is where I am, and will be, coming from.
I had every intention of closing this thread down since I see no good coming from the dog pile that could ensue. With Z’s post being as informative as it is (as his posts usually are) I see a possible good coming from this discussion.
Please don’t make me regret this decision. Larry has said his piece, so have the rest of you. Take it offline if you have something to say about how you feel this transaction unfolded.
I disagree 100%
I do not know Larry from any random stranger on the street and I consider Heinrich a good friend, so it pains me to take this stance.
It all started here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-for-sale.html
Larry purchased a GT for a low enough sum to justify gutting the drivetrain (most people start with a battered shell for this purpose) and tossing it aside.
It wasn't even Larry who brought the engine to the forum and offered it, the previous owner did. Unless it was agreed that Larry would tear down the engine for a full inspection, or Ernest made some kind of effort to insure the engine was good, this is the text book example of an "as-is" scenario.
What would I do if I were Heinrich? Pop in S4 cams, inspect the cylinder bores and replace the rod bearings and call it a day.
Please don’t make me regret this decision. Larry has said his piece, so have the rest of you. Take it offline if you have something to say about how you feel this transaction unfolded.
I disagree 100%
I do not know Larry from any random stranger on the street and I consider Heinrich a good friend, so it pains me to take this stance.
It all started here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-for-sale.html
Larry purchased a GT for a low enough sum to justify gutting the drivetrain (most people start with a battered shell for this purpose) and tossing it aside.
It wasn't even Larry who brought the engine to the forum and offered it, the previous owner did. Unless it was agreed that Larry would tear down the engine for a full inspection, or Ernest made some kind of effort to insure the engine was good, this is the text book example of an "as-is" scenario.
What would I do if I were Heinrich? Pop in S4 cams, inspect the cylinder bores and replace the rod bearings and call it a day.