Alan

Thanks Dave - yes you should have been removed from the list - I did know that... (doh - still sick)

Alan

Alan

OK so here is the final deal:

Sorry I'm still sick so this has been going a bit slow...

I will be shipping this out in a standard small flat rate box, with packing - this fits quite well - see pictures below.

If you rent this tool you agree to an up front deposit, costs as detailed below and that you will ship jp's tool back to me in a timely manner in the same packing & box (type) with the same exact insurance.

I'd like to turn this around fast so everyone gets to use it....

So - there is a penalty charge if you sit on this to long => if you aren't ready just don't ask to use it yet...

So the up-front deposit cost for the tap "rental" is $50 by paypal to me.

Cost of the usage is as follows:

For each user there will be a charge of at least $8.05 for direct flat rate small box shipping - including insurance for $175. These prices will go up if USPS shipping or insurance increases or may be slightly higher if you don't use USPS online payments. This should be ~your cost to ship it back.

There will also be an additional flat fixed charge of $8.00 to cover jp's expenses for international post - shipping this to me and my future expense for shipping it back to him. So total for rental is currently is $16.05.

There is basically no profit in this for anyone ~covering costs.

If you keep the tap for longer than the short term rental there will be an extra charge of $15. basically get it back to me within 4 weeks of the date I ship it to you and there won't be a charge. Since flat rate prority mail shipping is usually 2-3 days this should not be at all difficult to do.

If you can return it much faster I (and those waiting) will be very pleased!

Once I get it back you get the balance of your deposit returned via paypal.

Please also do write-up/photograph your usage & post results here in this thread.

CraigL is up first - I'll be sending him a PM on this. Others interested - if you haven't already PM'd me - do so to get on the list.

List is currently: (if you are on this list I have your details no action needed to stay there).

1 CraigL
2 AO
3 Whitesands
4 90 S-4
5 jthwan22

I'm assuming everyone here is OK with the costs & deposit - if not let me know and I'll take you off the list.

Alan

AO

Very reasonable in my opinion.

Just so I have it straight:

1. You notify us that we're "at bat"
2. If we are ready for it, we Paypal you $50
3. We get to use it for up to 4 weeks (less is better but it gives us an opportuni to help other locals)
4. If we go over the 4 weeks. We incurr a $15 charge.
5. When done, we ship it back to you in the same (new) packaging with insured value of $175 at our expense.
6. When you receive it, you will refund us the $50 deposit less the original cost to ship it tous (less any PayPal fees we might incurr).

Did I get it right?

69gaugeman

This looks suspiciously like round threads for the oil field industry.

8 round is what we called it (8 tpi)

Maybe look into that for making a tap.

Alan

Err... Why? we have one...

Alan

jpitman2

It certainly is a rounded thread form, and its 8tpi, BUT in the Knuckle thread list
http://www.gewinde-normen.de/en/knuc...d-din-405.html
there are 12 sizes (from 14mm to 38mm OD) at the same pitch....
jp 83 Euro S AT 54k

danglerb

Suggestion on shipping, the tap needs to be secured "well" to the supporting package, lid, tiewrap, something absolutely preventing escape.

Mining and fire fighting are two known industries that use knuckle thread, oil field is likely as well, but online searches didn't turn up many options. When I asked some of my mechanic friends they said they just cut a groove in a spare tow hook and use that.

Alan

Yes - thats it:

Total fees for ship (etc) to you are $16.05 out to you + $1.75 paypal fees - so $32.20 of the $50 deposit (gross) is returned to you on (timely) return of the tap (you'll also have some paypal fee deductions).

Your cost to ship it back (insured the same) should be about $8 in the same box.

And - you 'Sir Andrew' are next 'at bat'

CraigL thanks for the quick payment!... the tap is on its way to you now...

We're Off...!

Alan

Alan

I don't see this being a major issue in this packaging....

I will see how this plays out but I really don't anticipate any issues - this is tightly sandwiched in there - and the box is actually quite strong in the diagonal corners where it pins it into the packing (high density styrofoam and foam rubber).

It may not be obvious in the picture - but the tap is fully submerged into the styrofoam ~flush with the surface - the foam rubber just serves to pack it down in... although its sturdy steel - it still only weighs ~3/4 Lb.

Alan

AO

Alan

Earlier Andrew said "We get to use it for up to 4 weeks (less is better but it gives us an opportunity to help other locals)"

I do think this is a GREAT IDEA !! I'd encourage everyone to think if they can arrange for a local get together so this tool can help as many people & 928s as possible, maybe later in the year we can even get it to Sharktoberfest '12...?

Anyway if you do want to do this - do make it a group gathering thing, rather than passing it round a group of friends individually - just so it doesn't take too long or get lost on the way...

Please do keep track of how many folks (& 928s) get to use this tool!

Alan

danglerb

I'm just passing on the consensus from the tool forum I visit. Lots of buying and selling of small valuable tools, and about once a month or so something gets loose in a box and punches a hole and disappears.

I think I would roll it in something bulky, small bubble bubble wrap, foam, cardboard, and put three tight tiewraps on it, each end and the middle, then toss it in the box.

Alan

Dan - Did you see the packing picture? I consider this approach far superior to what you're proposing. There is no tossing it in the box here - this is fully located in all 3 dimensions and padded in all 3 dimemsions - no movement inside the box. It deliberately leverages the diagonal strength of the small box - which is also pretty rigid.

I've recieved my fair share of crappily packed stuff - some people obviously either don't care or think the USPS handles packages by placing them on soft pillows and carrying them around everwhere by hand.

CraigL maybe you can let us know how the package/packing looks when it arrives. If it need improvement - I'll do it but - I believe it will be much more than adequate... and for year long multiple usage too.

Alan

byrdman454

Alan,
Can you add me to the list? I am in the same boat as Andrew, had to drill and dremel out as best as I could. This was done years ago. This tap is a great idea.

Thanks

Alan

Mike (all) just send me a PM with Name, Address, Contact info (email/phone) if you want to get on the list - added to the list in order PMs received - I'll post list & status updates from time to time here.

Alan