Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

Notching 16v cam bearings for more lift?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-28-2011, 08:38 PM
  #1  
danglerb
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
 
danglerb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Orange, Cal
Posts: 8,575
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default Notching 16v cam bearings for more lift?

No plans to do it, no big reason to do it, just wondering if it might work.

.506 is the most lift that seems to fit through the cam bearings on a 16v motor. I'm wondering if the cam bearing would still work well if it had one or more "bumps" so a slightly larger nose on a cam lobe would fit through.
Old 11-28-2011, 08:56 PM
  #2  
atb
Rennlist Member
 
atb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 4,869
Received 33 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

Loss of oil pressure?
Old 11-28-2011, 08:59 PM
  #3  
ZEUS+
Rennlist Member
 
ZEUS+'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Manchester,NH
Posts: 1,243
Received 18 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

That would cause a major loss of oil pressure. atb beat me to it

Last edited by ZEUS+; 11-28-2011 at 09:01 PM. Reason: atb there first
Old 11-28-2011, 09:00 PM
  #4  
Speedtoys
Rennlist Member
 
Speedtoys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
Posts: 13,582
Received 1,034 Likes on 623 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ZEUS+
That would cause a major loss of oil pressure.
Well, oil does leave the bearing ALL the way around it..right? As long as this isnt where oil is inserted into the bearing..its not really leaving any faster there..is it?
Old 11-28-2011, 09:05 PM
  #5  
ZEUS+
Rennlist Member
 
ZEUS+'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Manchester,NH
Posts: 1,243
Received 18 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Speedtoys
Well, oil does leave the bearing ALL the way around it..right? As long as this isnt where oil is inserted into the bearing..its not really leaving any faster there..is it?
Under pressure it would find the path of least resistance. The cam journal and bearing diameter is a calculated bleed. Also it would be difficult to determine where to notch.
Old 11-28-2011, 09:08 PM
  #6  
Speedtoys
Rennlist Member
 
Speedtoys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
Posts: 13,582
Received 1,034 Likes on 623 Posts
Default

Perfect...that's the context I lacked.
Old 11-28-2011, 09:22 PM
  #7  
namasgt
Three Wheelin'
 
namasgt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: TEXAS
Posts: 1,675
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

has anyone tried to use roller bearings for the 16 valve cam shaft?

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/b...rings_install/
Old 11-28-2011, 10:29 PM
  #8  
danglerb
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
 
danglerb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Orange, Cal
Posts: 8,575
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Given the .506 fitting, even .600 wouldn't be much of a bump in the bearing, but I forgot about the whole sealed cam carrier arrangement. Kills any practicality without a redesign with an open cam area, then might as well make two piece bearings.
Attached Images  
Old 11-28-2011, 11:23 PM
  #9  
GregBBRD
Former Sponsor
 
GregBBRD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Anaheim
Posts: 15,230
Received 2,474 Likes on 1,468 Posts
Default

Airflow through the head would be a consideration, also.

Do the heads actaully have airflow at .500 lift?

How about at .600?
Old 11-29-2011, 01:31 AM
  #10  
Lizard928
Nordschleife Master
 
Lizard928's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Abbotsford B.C.
Posts: 9,600
Received 34 Likes on 25 Posts
Default

Shhhhhh we dont need any logical thought here GB.

Why dont you guys just cut the cam housing in half and then figure out how to hold it back together.....
Old 11-29-2011, 01:51 AM
  #11  
PorKen
Inventor
Rennlist Member

 
PorKen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 10,154
Received 391 Likes on 220 Posts
Default

Billet cam housing.
Old 11-29-2011, 02:09 AM
  #12  
terry gt
Burning Brakes
 
terry gt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: West Vancouver B.C.
Posts: 908
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

reduce the base circle of the cam / high installed valve stem height / costom retainers and valve springs. then fully port and polish the heads . Then check it all on a flow bench ... all 16 ports . Oh yea mod the lifter holes . search 16V performance Terry
Old 11-29-2011, 06:13 AM
  #13  
Podguy
Three Wheelin'
 
Podguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 1,526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

On VW engines we could line bore the case and put in cam bearings. The VW engine like the 928 heads had no cam bearings. The VW case over time would wear and to rebuild the engine the case was bored and cam bearing put in. I think cams could be turned as well so there was an under and standard, but I could be wrong on that.

As I understand it at least on the 32 valve engines the cam can be bored and bearing fitted. I have never seen this so maybe it was just an idea. I suppose the 16 valve cam covers could be line bored too and bearings fitted. I suppose it is also possible to bore them off center to give more lift but since line bore set ups generally use the case as a guide it would take some pretty good planning and some specialized equipment to accomplish this. Then there is the issue of finding some bearings or more probably making some and then worrying about the closed clearance and not hitting the pistons.
Old 11-29-2011, 07:00 AM
  #14  
slate blue
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
slate blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,315
Received 10 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

I have a set of solid lifter cams with 0.550" lift, however 0.650" lift cam with a standard lifter or a bit more with say a 40 mm lifter. Depending on the port design, which there is several actually verified on a flow bench flow of 315 to 325. Cfm is achievable but not straight forward. A more radical port with proven design features may achieve over 350 cfm but again a lot of work and expense. However a lift of 0.550" with a 48 mm valve can achieve very good discharge co-efficients.
Old 11-29-2011, 07:48 PM
  #15  
robot808
Rennlist Member
 
robot808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Elmhurst, IL
Posts: 2,483
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
Default

This is classic danglerb.


Quick Reply: Notching 16v cam bearings for more lift?



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 11:36 PM.