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Old 11-07-2011, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by John Speake
Is the sensor new ? When hot they can fail, then work again when they cool, only to fail again when hot.
Hmm. The aluminum flywheel that holds the toothed ring is probably getting a bit larger as it warms. It seems to have avery small gap as designed.
I wonder if it could be helpful to space the sensor further away?

It's a new non Bosch sensor. I have a real Bosch brand one on the way now.
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Originally Posted by Lizard931
Add a 1k ohm resistor to the + line off the reference sensor.
it is likely that the sensor is generating too much voltage (common problem with this sensor), and it goes outside the functioning range or the aftermarket brain.
This is correct. You find these at those "geeky" electronic stores. This is assuming your using the M48P and not an M800.

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Old 11-07-2011, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wildguy
This is correct. You find these at those "geeky" electronic stores. This is assuming your using the M48P and not an M800.

Guy
yes, it's an M48P and has an IEX.

It would be nice to find quality resistors for this kind of stuff. Do you have any sources? When I look in geeky electronics suppliers all I see is a myriad of light duty stuff. Aren't there robust heavy duty resistors out there?
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Originally Posted by justaguy
Mike
You have guys helping with way more knowlege than me but I have had inexplicable shut downs with a Motec M84. It will also shut down on Low voltage below 10.8v and high temp over 205 Deg F. I will watch this thread with intrest.
The Motec, any many others, do not work well or do shut off in low voltage situations.

Mike,
Do add the resistor, doesn't hurt, and check grounds.
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Originally Posted by Mike Simard
Hmm. The aluminum flywheel that holds the toothed ring is probably getting a bit larger as it warms. It seems to have avery small gap as designed.
I wonder if it could be helpful to space the sensor further away?

It's a new non Bosch sensor. I have a real Bosch brand one on the way now.
We had problems with the Bosch sensors, on the factory race cars, if they got closer than .8mm. I try to set my sensors to a minimum distance of 1.0mm.

Seems like all the models of Porsche (through 1998) had an adjustable bracket to change this dimension...except the 928.
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Originally Posted by Mike Simard
yes, it's an M48P and has an IEX.

It would be nice to find quality resistors for this kind of stuff. Do you have any sources? When I look in geeky electronics suppliers all I see is a myriad of light duty stuff. Aren't there robust heavy duty resistors out there?
No, these are those little fragile looking ones you see on PC boards.
I would crimp it with a glue crimp and glue shrink too. That way vibrations won't hurt it.
I sell sensors if you need any others. I only use and sell what is proven to work.
I can send you a resistor and special crimp if you like. Free.
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resistor info
http://www.the12volt.com/resistors/resistors.asp
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Originally Posted by wildguy
I sell sensors if you need any others. I only use and sell what is proven to work.
Is there any such thing as a hall sensor that has the same dimensions as the stock S4 sensor? Would you like to share your business info? I'd buy stuff from you if possible.
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If the problem is that the gap is closing up, the 1k ohm resister (1/4watt is fine) will fix that problem.
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so here is what I remember. The factory timing sensor is the 60 -2 variety. I would have to see what my crip is set for to be sure. The number 62 sticks in my head for some reason. if you are using the regular ignition outputs on the m48 pro you can use either the rising edge or the falling edge signal. However you can only use one of them for the eix ignition expander. If you use the other weirdness can ensue. The problem is that I don't remember which one it is.

I had some mystery cutout's and the data logging was showing a ref error. What is the datalogging showing?
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If the resistor does not work, can you make the crank
Trigger a hall sensor instead of VR? VR seems to have more issues, and it usually involves strange voltages that affects the ECUs
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http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/h...sor-p-479.html
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The stock s4 flywheel is 60 teeth in total with 2 missing , falling edge is usual parrmeter to set.
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Originally Posted by BC
If the resistor does not work, can you make the crank
Trigger a hall sensor instead of VR? VR seems to have more issues, and it usually involves strange voltages that affects the ECUs
That would be great to have a hall sensor for the crank if one were available with the same dimensions. The common ones seem to be too big though.
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FYI. Ref trigger edge has nothing to do with IEX, the IEX is on the output side of the ecu, not the input. IEX mode is fixed and the trigger edge is not adjustable.


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