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06-15-2011, 11:28 PM
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Its unibody.
They are frame rails, regardless of what has been said. Their condition is indicative, though not definitive, of the level of care the car received. They reinforce the rather critical area where the seats mount, which in an accident recieves a tremendous moment of force.
I've got three cars here with perfect or near perfect rails, so its not a given that they are crushed.
How about some pictures.
They are frame rails, regardless of what has been said. Their condition is indicative, though not definitive, of the level of care the car received. They reinforce the rather critical area where the seats mount, which in an accident recieves a tremendous moment of force.
I've got three cars here with perfect or near perfect rails, so its not a given that they are crushed.
How about some pictures.
Not hardly, those are the worst I've seen, and I've seen a metric **** ton of them.
On the PPI, if I had been the one doing it, I would have noted it almost the same as the guy doing the PPI. I also would have noted that similar damage is not unusual, but the ones on your car are beyond the norm.
06-15-2011, 11:29 PM
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In unibody construction the entire structure is the frame.
This piece is the called the floor member. (50-6, figure 3)
Seat rails inside the cockpit are welded to the floor
The floor gets its integrity from its stamp pattern and from its connection to the side rail, the tunnel, and from the rigidness of this boxed section. On a 928 and I think 944, the floor member runs from the engine compartment main structural member through to the back of the car.
(On old Mustangs, the member stops under the seats. The first thing a rodder does for rigidity is reinforce that section and connect it through to the back of the car.)
This piece is the called the floor member. (50-6, figure 3)
Seat rails inside the cockpit are welded to the floor
The floor gets its integrity from its stamp pattern and from its connection to the side rail, the tunnel, and from the rigidness of this boxed section. On a 928 and I think 944, the floor member runs from the engine compartment main structural member through to the back of the car.
(On old Mustangs, the member stops under the seats. The first thing a rodder does for rigidity is reinforce that section and connect it through to the back of the car.)
06-15-2011, 11:31 PM
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I have never seen any that bad either, and I have seen a few also.
In my opinion, you are 100% correct on this
Not hardly, those are the worst I've seen, and I've seen a metric **** ton of them.
On the PPI, if I had been the one doing it, I would have noted it almost the same as the guy doing the PPI. I also would have noted that similar damage is not unusual, but the ones on your car are beyond the norm.
Not hardly, those are the worst I've seen, and I've seen a metric **** ton of them.
On the PPI, if I had been the one doing it, I would have noted it almost the same as the guy doing the PPI. I also would have noted that similar damage is not unusual, but the ones on your car are beyond the norm.
06-15-2011, 11:34 PM
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They are bad enough if it were my car I would have it repaired.
In unibody construction the entire structure is the frame.
This piece is the called the floor member. (50-6, figure 3)
Seat rails inside the cockpit are welded to the floor
The floor gets its integrity from its stamp pattern and from its connection to the side rail, the tunnel, and from the rigidness of this boxed section. On a 928 and I think 944, the floor member runs from the engine compartment main structural member through to the back of the car.
(On old Mustangs, the member stops under the seats. The first thing a rodder does for rigidity is reinforce that section and connect it through to the back of the car.)
This piece is the called the floor member. (50-6, figure 3)
Seat rails inside the cockpit are welded to the floor
The floor gets its integrity from its stamp pattern and from its connection to the side rail, the tunnel, and from the rigidness of this boxed section. On a 928 and I think 944, the floor member runs from the engine compartment main structural member through to the back of the car.
(On old Mustangs, the member stops under the seats. The first thing a rodder does for rigidity is reinforce that section and connect it through to the back of the car.)
06-15-2011, 11:42 PM
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Sad but true, though not always true. Judges are a lot smarter than they get credit for, and can prevent such miscarriages of justice.
That's now how this works. In any situation where I (or a friend or family member) has been wronged (or perceived to have been wronged), I consider whether any legal remedies are available. This is not a reflex yes or no type-process. In this particular case, I walked myself through the potential options, applying the relevant standards (tortious interference iunder Maryland law is I think a 6 factor test, primarily requiring some kind of contract being in place prior to the tortious act), and concluded there were no legally meritorious routes to take. So I guess if the question to me were whether I seriously considered suing, then the simple answer would be no, I did not. But did I think about it, absolutely yes I did. It would be irresponsible of me not to.
That's now how this works. In any situation where I (or a friend or family member) has been wronged (or perceived to have been wronged), I consider whether any legal remedies are available. This is not a reflex yes or no type-process. In this particular case, I walked myself through the potential options, applying the relevant standards (tortious interference iunder Maryland law is I think a 6 factor test, primarily requiring some kind of contract being in place prior to the tortious act), and concluded there were no legally meritorious routes to take. So I guess if the question to me were whether I seriously considered suing, then the simple answer would be no, I did not. But did I think about it, absolutely yes I did. It would be irresponsible of me not to.
BTW. That driver's side rail looks far worse than usual. The passenger side looks typical in my experience.
06-15-2011, 11:45 PM
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Thanks Gary. I've never met you, but I'm glad you have such a good read on me. To everyone else, I'm out for a while. Car is no longer for sale.
06-16-2011, 12:02 AM
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I guess we all fall back on our training, if I were presented with this the first thing I would think of is how to fix it, and you fall back on your training.
I do see the logic there, and Mike this is not anything personal between us, at least that is not my intention, I just tend to bristle when folks talk about suing mechanics.
I have been very lucky in that I have never been even threatened of that, but tomorrow is another day.
Sadly I have been involved in a few cases involving mechanical things that the Judges seem to have other interests and side with the money every time, even when it is very clear cut.
I do see the logic there, and Mike this is not anything personal between us, at least that is not my intention, I just tend to bristle when folks talk about suing mechanics.
I have been very lucky in that I have never been even threatened of that, but tomorrow is another day.
Sadly I have been involved in a few cases involving mechanical things that the Judges seem to have other interests and side with the money every time, even when it is very clear cut.
Sad but true, though not always true. Judges are a lot smarter than they get credit for, and can prevent such miscarriages of justice.
That's now how this works. In any situation where I (or a friend or family member) has been wronged (or perceived to have been wronged), I consider whether any legal remedies are available. This is not a reflex yes or no type-process. In this particular case, I walked myself through the potential options, applying the relevant standards (tortious interference iunder Maryland law is I think a 6 factor test, primarily requiring some kind of contract being in place prior to the tortious act), and concluded there were no legally meritorious routes to take. So I guess if the question to me were whether I seriously considered suing, then the simple answer would be no, I did not. But did I think about it, absolutely yes I did. It would be irresponsible of me not to.
That's now how this works. In any situation where I (or a friend or family member) has been wronged (or perceived to have been wronged), I consider whether any legal remedies are available. This is not a reflex yes or no type-process. In this particular case, I walked myself through the potential options, applying the relevant standards (tortious interference iunder Maryland law is I think a 6 factor test, primarily requiring some kind of contract being in place prior to the tortious act), and concluded there were no legally meritorious routes to take. So I guess if the question to me were whether I seriously considered suing, then the simple answer would be no, I did not. But did I think about it, absolutely yes I did. It would be irresponsible of me not to.
