Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

5 Speed conversion progress

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-14-2011, 10:25 PM
  #106  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Constantine
Hi Greg,

Congratulations on getting this done! Makes you wonder why there are so many 928 automatics out there and not more 5 Speeds.

Good luck with tracing down the vibes, hope it isn't the TT...!

Kind regards,
Nope, not in the TT, engine speed dependent with the clutch pedal to the floor.
Old 01-14-2011, 10:54 PM
  #107  
SharkSkin
Rennlist Member
 
SharkSkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
Posts: 12,620
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by blown 87
i plan to pull the clutch assembly out and try to have the flywheel match balanced with the old auto flywheel and we will see what we have then as far as the imbalance issue goes.
Greg, what does this mean? AFAIK the design intent is that the flywheel is not part of the overall engine balance and it can be balanced in isolation, without regard to the old FW, the engine, or anything else.
Old 01-14-2011, 11:00 PM
  #108  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SharkSkin
Greg, what does this mean? AFAIK the design intent is that the flywheel is not part of the overall engine balance and it can be balanced in isolation, without regard to the old FW, the engine, or anything else.
I had the rotating assembly balanced when I rebuilt the engine, it was perfect with the auto flywheel, so i will have that exactly matched and take the engine out of the picture, so that just leaves the clutch.

Also, it you look at a flywheel they appear the be externally balanced due to the way they are drilled.
Old 01-14-2011, 11:06 PM
  #109  
SharkSkin
Rennlist Member
 
SharkSkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
Posts: 12,620
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

You didn't have the crank balanced with the flywheel, did you? If you did, then I see the sense in trying to match it.
Old 01-14-2011, 11:21 PM
  #110  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SharkSkin
You didn't have the crank balanced with the flywheel, did you? If you did, then I see the sense in trying to match it.
Well, that is the big question, to which i do not have a answer, neither does my machine shop.
All I know is they did not appear to take or add anything to the flywheel, but they did on the rods and crank.
Old 01-14-2011, 11:42 PM
  #111  
worf928
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
worf928's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Gone. On the Open Road
Posts: 16,444
Received 1,612 Likes on 1,052 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by blown 87
Oh, and my once every other two months idle problem came back today, pissed me right off.
Is your water bridge powder coated? (Or painted?)
Old 01-14-2011, 11:46 PM
  #112  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by worf928
Is your water bridge powder coated? (Or painted?)
Yes, it is, that would be a place to start again I guess.
I thought I cleaned the PC off pretty good when I replaced the temp2 sensor.
Old 01-14-2011, 11:47 PM
  #113  
SharkSkin
Rennlist Member
 
SharkSkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
Posts: 12,620
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by blown 87
Well, that is the big question, to which i do not have a answer, neither does my machine shop.
All I know is they did not appear to take or add anything to the flywheel, but they did on the rods and crank.
Well, sounds like they properly identified it as internally balanced then. Sucks that there is no paper trail or memory on the issue. I guess the ideal situation is that you discover the AT FW is almost perfectly balanced, in which case you have them balance the new FW as closely as possible and call it a day. If it turns out they balanced the crank/FW together that would really suck. Since the two FWs weigh out so differently it would be pretty tough to match it up.
Old 01-15-2011, 12:02 AM
  #114  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SharkSkin
Well, sounds like they properly identified it as internally balanced then. Sucks that there is no paper trail or memory on the issue. I guess the ideal situation is that you discover the AT FW is almost perfectly balanced, in which case you have them balance the new FW as closely as possible and call it a day. If it turns out they balanced the crank/FW together that would really suck. Since the two FWs weigh out so differently it would be pretty tough to match it up.
If the engine is internally balanced, the total weight of the flywheel would have little, if any effect on the over all balance of the engine.

All the automatic and manual flywheels sure look to me and my machine shop as being externally balanced from the factory.
Old 01-15-2011, 12:06 AM
  #115  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

At worse, I have a extra engine that I can build and start from square one, or I heard that Greg Brown has a couple of motors for sale..........................

It would cost me close to ten grand to do a full rebuild on a 928 engine, less, a lot less if I just did a short block, then it would be a set of gaskets, bearings and some machine work, but it would still be a ton of work.
Old 01-15-2011, 12:12 AM
  #116  
worf928
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
worf928's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Gone. On the Open Road
Posts: 16,444
Received 1,612 Likes on 1,052 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by blown 87
Yes, it is, that would be a place to start again I guess.
I thought I cleaned the PC off pretty good when I replaced the temp2 sensor.
Since your idling issue is SO intermittent, it's a long shot, but you could temporarily run an auxiliary ground from the hex-base of the temp-II sensor to a convenient location on the block. If you can catch it doing it's weird idle you can just alligator clip the sensor's base to a ground point and see if the idle changes.

I had an intermittent temp-II ground problem that was 100% due to a poor ground due to PC on the temp-ii contact surface of the bridge. In my case though, the condition always occurred within an hour of the motor being started.
Old 01-15-2011, 12:17 AM
  #117  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I am going to try that next Dave, thanks for the insight.
Sounds like you have been there.
it is frustrating when you can literally fix a thousand cars and the one you own seems to just stand back and laugh at you at times.

Originally Posted by worf928
Since your idling issue is SO intermittent, it's a long shot, but you could temporarily run an auxiliary ground from the hex-base of the temp-II sensor to a convenient location on the block. If you can catch it doing it's weird idle you can just alligator clip the sensor's base to a ground point and see if the idle changes.

I had an intermittent temp-II ground problem that was 100% due to a poor ground due to PC on the temp-ii contact surface of the bridge. In my case though, the condition always occurred within an hour of the motor being started.
Old 01-15-2011, 12:24 AM
  #118  
worf928
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
worf928's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Gone. On the Open Road
Posts: 16,444
Received 1,612 Likes on 1,052 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by blown 87
... the one you own seems to just stand back and laugh at you at times.
Yours laugh? Mine give me the evil eye. I think they are planning something. I'm scared too.
Old 01-15-2011, 12:28 AM
  #119  
blown 87
Rest in Peace
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
blown 87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bird lover in Sharpsburg
Posts: 9,903
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by worf928
Yours laugh? Mine give me the evil eye. I think they are planning something. I'm scared too.
Maybe they are pissed about the Corvettes?
Tis a working theory maybe?
Old 01-15-2011, 12:48 AM
  #120  
worf928
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
worf928's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Gone. On the Open Road
Posts: 16,444
Received 1,612 Likes on 1,052 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by blown 87
Maybe they are pissed about the Corvettes?
Tis a working theory maybe?
I think the 'vette is the ring leader. I 'spect they're worried they're going to end up like the Sirocco (not running and in-use as a shelf...)

Hey, never mind me. Get back to your post-op 5-speed before she notices.


Quick Reply: 5 Speed conversion progress



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 01:24 AM.