928 vs. 350Z - what to do with $15,000
10-25-2010, 11:13 PM
#31
Burning Brakes
I'd definately take a 928. It has better build quality, more room, probably won't depreciate as much, etc.
BTW, I noticed that you said that you didn't care for convertibles, but have you considered an R129 body style Mercedes SL? I have a 1999 SL500 and it's been a great car with plenty of storage space behind the seats and in the trunk. You could get a well-sorted SL600 or 600SL for under $12,000.
BTW, I noticed that you said that you didn't care for convertibles, but have you considered an R129 body style Mercedes SL? I have a 1999 SL500 and it's been a great car with plenty of storage space behind the seats and in the trunk. You could get a well-sorted SL600 or 600SL for under $12,000.
10-25-2010, 11:15 PM
#32
Team Owner
If you dont understand soul then I suggest you go ride a 1978 850 LeMans Moto Guzzi.
Then ride a 2002 Ducati S4 Monster
then go ride a Kawasaki ZX6 or ZX9 You will find the Asian bikes have a fine precision to them,
they dont do anything wrong,
everything works easily and it is just plain boring.
The Moto Guzzi OTOH it takes a few grips of the throttle to get the gas into Dellortos and when you rev the engine you better be holding on as it will want to tip off due to torque, the gear changes are better to be timed and the roar is intoxicating
Same goes for the Ducati,
thats what soul is in a machine
Then ride a 2002 Ducati S4 Monster
then go ride a Kawasaki ZX6 or ZX9 You will find the Asian bikes have a fine precision to them,
they dont do anything wrong,
everything works easily and it is just plain boring.
The Moto Guzzi OTOH it takes a few grips of the throttle to get the gas into Dellortos and when you rev the engine you better be holding on as it will want to tip off due to torque, the gear changes are better to be timed and the roar is intoxicating
Same goes for the Ducati,
thats what soul is in a machine
10-25-2010, 11:20 PM
#33
Nordschleife Master
MrMerlin, I agree, but I still prefer the shriek of an inline four at over 14k rpm's!!!! I LOVED my Hurricane 600 ('88 MY), that bike was AWESOME and it is not even CLOSE to the sport bikes of today! Would do 0-60 in 3.5 sec, top out at about 150 and stop from 60 in under 110 feet. While all still pretty spectacular numbers when compared to pretty super cars of today, they PALE BY MILES to the current CBR600's and other sport bikes...
10-25-2010, 11:22 PM
#34
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If you dont understand soul then I suggest you go ride a 1978 850 LeMans Moto Guzzi.
Then ride a 2002 Ducati S4 Monster
then go ride a Kawasaki ZX6 or ZX9 You will find the Asian bikes have a fine precision to them,
they dont do anything wrong,
everything works easily and it is just plain boring.
The Moto Guzzi OTOH it takes a few grips of the throttle to get the gas into Dellortos and when you rev the engine you better be holding on as it will want to tip off due to torque, the gear changes are better to be timed and the roar is intoxicating
Same goes for the Ducati,
thats what soul is in a machine
Then ride a 2002 Ducati S4 Monster
then go ride a Kawasaki ZX6 or ZX9 You will find the Asian bikes have a fine precision to them,
they dont do anything wrong,
everything works easily and it is just plain boring.
The Moto Guzzi OTOH it takes a few grips of the throttle to get the gas into Dellortos and when you rev the engine you better be holding on as it will want to tip off due to torque, the gear changes are better to be timed and the roar is intoxicating
Same goes for the Ducati,
thats what soul is in a machine
A GREAT S4 auto in San Antonio, TX at $15k with your name on it. Don't even know the owner (as far as I know anyway) but from a second source who knows the car it is PRISTINE! It is an auto...but driven properly (and with a nice one) watch out!!!
Yasin, whatever car that is in your avatar, bring it to any track in TX and I'll bring my S4 auto and spank you all day long bro! Maybe the S4's you drove are real dogs, or maybe you just weren't driving them hard enough, but I can't count the 911's I have put a smack down on at the race track. I was an instructor (been invited back a few time, but don't have the time to play these days) and these were other instructors out there with me.
Your comment about the braking is laughable too considering 911 Turbo owners were UPGRADING to S4 brakes for YEARS and then what we now call "big reds" came out FIRST on 928 GTS's as "Big Blacks"!
Yasin, whatever car that is in your avatar, bring it to any track in TX and I'll bring my S4 auto and spank you all day long bro! Maybe the S4's you drove are real dogs, or maybe you just weren't driving them hard enough, but I can't count the 911's I have put a smack down on at the race track. I was an instructor (been invited back a few time, but don't have the time to play these days) and these were other instructors out there with me.
Your comment about the braking is laughable too considering 911 Turbo owners were UPGRADING to S4 brakes for YEARS and then what we now call "big reds" came out FIRST on 928 GTS's as "Big Blacks"!
I did drive all the 928s really hard (one even chirped the wheels in 2nd gear which I gave a thumbs up) but my daily driver little Mazda with its turbocharged 1.6L Miata motor pulled so much harder to 100mp/h that I came away scratching my head puzzled.
I kept saying it had to be the car and the auto tranny and the fact these were $6-$7K neglected cars with multiple owners, then I test drove another and then another and they were all the same, interior electrics and switches that did not work, trim that was falling apart, cracked dashes etc etc. I was so jaded with all these '85 and '86 auto cars that I test drove , I just feel that it would have to be a nice later model 5sp S4 for me to be interested. I was genuinely looking for a 928 as a fun project, as I love these cars but put that project on hiatus for a while.
As for the car in my Avatar it dyno'd a reasonable 418whp
, I am sure your 928 is much faster on the track, I have never honestly tracked mine but for a fully dressed street car it can walk the talk very well. The stock 930 brakes are plenty strong and big as they are directly off the 917 race cars (you prob. know that), I by-passed all that though and I am running 993 TwinTurbo brakes on my car.
(big Blacks based on your post).I live in Houston too BTW...!
Yasin
10-25-2010, 11:25 PM
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928's have soul, if you don't understand that, we can not explain it.
Any car can drive like a dog if it isn't well cared for, and that definitely applies to any given number of 911's out there as well.
Back on topic, the 350Z is a dime a dozen. YAWN.
Any car can drive like a dog if it isn't well cared for, and that definitely applies to any given number of 911's out there as well.
Back on topic, the 350Z is a dime a dozen. YAWN.
10-25-2010, 11:49 PM
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When neglected a few things are common.
Knock sensors for one reason or another change or default the timing electronically to protect the motor, giving up much performance.
The pressure / downshift cable is usually stretched, so it upshifts too early and feels like a big buick.
Car feels like a dog then.
TPS is maladjusted or filled with oil and/or cracked electrode and doesn't provide the timing shift at full throttle.
Rotors and caps and coils have corrosion, further degrading perf. and ground points for electronics provide their own breed of performous interruptus.
Its a beautiful thing.
Then even the savvy car guys don't realize their potential and there are more for those of us who understand how to make them happy again.
Knock sensors for one reason or another change or default the timing electronically to protect the motor, giving up much performance.
The pressure / downshift cable is usually stretched, so it upshifts too early and feels like a big buick.
Car feels like a dog then.
TPS is maladjusted or filled with oil and/or cracked electrode and doesn't provide the timing shift at full throttle.
Rotors and caps and coils have corrosion, further degrading perf. and ground points for electronics provide their own breed of performous interruptus.
Its a beautiful thing.
Then even the savvy car guys don't realize their potential and there are more for those of us who understand how to make them happy again.
10-25-2010, 11:52 PM
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Any 350/370/G35/G37/Altima 3.5SE gets an automatic F simply because of the World's Worst Exhaust Tone. Whatever engineer thought that fine example of unpleasant NV and H was worthy of production needs to spend a weekend at the Monterey Historics. I'll be happy to chaperone.
10-25-2010, 11:54 PM
#38
Nordschleife Master
Yasin,
What the hell is the car in your avatar?! Must be a 930...didn't look like it from that small pic... knowing the power, I take my challenge back...you would at the very least out drag race me from corner to corner in that BEAST! I instructed for LSR for YEARS! I think I have 20,000 DE instruction miles in the right seats of all kinds of cars! Over 10k track miles on my S4, most of them at TWS.
Turbo Miata is a fast car bro...they are REALLY fast around TWS too!
You do need to drive a nice S4 though Yasin, you will like it...and a nice 5spd will really float your boat. Remember they WERE the Flagship of the Porsche line up!
What the hell is the car in your avatar?! Must be a 930...didn't look like it from that small pic... knowing the power, I take my challenge back...you would at the very least out drag race me from corner to corner in that BEAST! I instructed for LSR for YEARS! I think I have 20,000 DE instruction miles in the right seats of all kinds of cars! Over 10k track miles on my S4, most of them at TWS.
Turbo Miata is a fast car bro...they are REALLY fast around TWS too!
You do need to drive a nice S4 though Yasin, you will like it...and a nice 5spd will really float your boat. Remember they WERE the Flagship of the Porsche line up!
10-26-2010, 12:23 AM
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Your reply does not help...we are talking cars not bikes, I do not own a motorcycle, do not have a motorcycle license and can barely ride my bicycle to the corner store and back..so your reply is an analogy that I cannot relate to (unfortunately...I guess).
Great reply and glad we can keep it friendly, fun, entertaining yet informative.
I did drive all the 928s really hard (one even chirped the wheels in 2nd gear which I gave a thumbs up) but my daily driver little Mazda with its turbocharged 1.6L Miata motor pulled so much harder to 100mp/h that I came away scratching my head puzzled.
I kept saying it had to be the car and the auto tranny and the fact these were $6-$7K neglected cars with multiple owners, then I test drove another and then another and they were all the same, interior electrics and switches that did not work, trim that was falling apart, cracked dashes etc etc. I was so jaded with all these '85 and '86 auto cars that I test drove , I just feel that it would have to be a nice later model 5sp S4 for me to be interested. I was genuinely looking for a 928 as a fun project, as I love these cars but put that project on hiatus for a while.
As for the car in my Avatar it dyno'd a reasonable 418whp, I am sure your 928 is much faster on the track, I have never honestly tracked mine but for a fully dressed street car it can walk the talk very well. The stock 930 brakes are plenty strong and big as they are directly off the 917 race cars (you prob. know that), I by-passed all that though and I am running 993 TwinTurbo brakes on my car. (big Blacks based on your post).
I live in Houston too BTW...!
Yasin
Great reply and glad we can keep it friendly, fun, entertaining yet informative.
I did drive all the 928s really hard (one even chirped the wheels in 2nd gear which I gave a thumbs up) but my daily driver little Mazda with its turbocharged 1.6L Miata motor pulled so much harder to 100mp/h that I came away scratching my head puzzled.
I kept saying it had to be the car and the auto tranny and the fact these were $6-$7K neglected cars with multiple owners, then I test drove another and then another and they were all the same, interior electrics and switches that did not work, trim that was falling apart, cracked dashes etc etc. I was so jaded with all these '85 and '86 auto cars that I test drove , I just feel that it would have to be a nice later model 5sp S4 for me to be interested. I was genuinely looking for a 928 as a fun project, as I love these cars but put that project on hiatus for a while.
As for the car in my Avatar it dyno'd a reasonable 418whp
, I am sure your 928 is much faster on the track, I have never honestly tracked mine but for a fully dressed street car it can walk the talk very well. The stock 930 brakes are plenty strong and big as they are directly off the 917 race cars (you prob. know that), I by-passed all that though and I am running 993 TwinTurbo brakes on my car. (big Blacks based on your post).I live in Houston too BTW...!
Yasin
For reference absolutely everything in my GT works and with exception to slight warping of the rear quarters it looks completely new inside and out. No broken *****, switches or wear/tear. Nice 928's are out there, go find one and drive it.
10-26-2010, 12:34 AM
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Been selling Twinkies on Ebay,
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All cars have a "soul". Some are just destined to be forgotten, most will reside in mediocrity, and the best will live for decades in the psyche of enthusiasts.
We are men that love machines, here.
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10-26-2010, 12:47 AM
#42
Drifting
OK, this is an invitation to a scrum, but here goes.
Suppose you wanted a sports car with a hatchback (cargo space is important), and you have $15K burning a hole in your pocket. Do you buy a 928 or a 350Z?
In the 928 world, it seems like $15K might get a decent S4 that needs very little catch-up, but of course such a car will be hard to find (ask me how I know) and will entail the usual Porsche stuff over the years.
In the 350Z world, $15K will get a 5-year old car with perhaps 50K miles in excellent condition. These are a little easier to come by. How's the maintenance? Don't know. I've heard that they are very reliable but chew through expensive sets of tires like hotcakes at a company breakfast.
Suppose you wanted a sports car with a hatchback (cargo space is important), and you have $15K burning a hole in your pocket. Do you buy a 928 or a 350Z?
In the 928 world, it seems like $15K might get a decent S4 that needs very little catch-up, but of course such a car will be hard to find (ask me how I know) and will entail the usual Porsche stuff over the years.
In the 350Z world, $15K will get a 5-year old car with perhaps 50K miles in excellent condition. These are a little easier to come by. How's the maintenance? Don't know. I've heard that they are very reliable but chew through expensive sets of tires like hotcakes at a company breakfast.
You should get a Camaro
10-26-2010, 01:12 AM
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350 z or 928s4
I worked on a buddy of mine 2004 350z supercharged, incredibly fast . The car interior is too plastic, i had to replace the power window motor-they go bad very fast. Bumpy ride and very harsh,no back room either. the buddy saw i work on the s4 all the time,but agrees its very well sorted out. I do like the new 370z.......That a better car.
10-26-2010, 01:31 AM
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