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Old 06-17-2010, 12:39 PM
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Default Failed CT emissions. Have results, help please!

I just came back from the testing facility, and my car failed...quite miserably.
But first a little background... I just changed the plugs and the oil, and air filter. 2 days ago, i filled up w/ premium gas and used some fuel injector cleaner. This morning before the test (per the recommendation of the guy at NAPA) I took the car for a spirited drive on a deserted highway at high speeds to "blow all the sh*t out of it" (NAPA guy's words) and to get the car HOT HOT HOT. Then I went to have the test done.

Here's the results:

HC (PPM):
Limit: 100 Me: 267 = FAIL

CO (%):
Limit 0.32% Me: 4.10% = Ouch! FAIL

NOx (PPM):
Limit: 700 Me: 265 = Yay...Pass

That's it. So now I need help in fixing it...I've got 2 months to get it retested. I guess I should note that I bought this car a few months ago with out an air pump installed. I think the cats may be original. Don't know. But here's some pics of them and the metal hose thing coming off the cat that goes nowhere...i guess it used to go to the airpump.

If anyone can give me tips on getting the car to pass emissions, i'm all ears.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:45 PM
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Yes goes to where air pump was...I have an extra pump, but I am not sure if it makes that much difference.
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If that pipe causes an airleak into the exhaust ahead of the O2 sensor, that will throw your CO off as the O2 loop senses the mixture as too weak.

You should be able to cut off and seal that pipe, you don't need an airpump connection to meet emissions.
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Hows you O2 sensor? looks to me like your running a bit rich. is this an Idle only test, rolling road...?
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Originally Posted by John Speake
If that pipe causes an airleak into the exhaust ahead of the O2 sensor, that will throw your CO off as the O2 loop senses the mixture as too weak.

You should be able to cut off and seal that pipe, you don't need an airpump connection to meet emissions.
Needs to be sealed and also there would of been a vacuum line across the back of the engine to that same area that would need to be sealed.
I know some have found fasteners that fit over the tube, mine is just bent over and sealed.
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Originally Posted by 76FJ55
Hows you O2 sensor? looks to me like your running a bit rich. is this an Idle only test, rolling road...?
sorry, i should have specified that. the test is conducted at a speed of 25 mph.
how can i test my O2 sensor, and what should I be on the look out for?

that's what the emissions guy told me... the failure was due to "unburnt fuel" or running rich, like you said.
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WHY did you go anyway? 25 years old, go no more.
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Originally Posted by Calgary Ole
Needs to be sealed and also there would of been a vacuum line across the back of the engine to that same area that would need to be sealed.
I know some have found fasteners that fit over the tube, mine is just bent over and sealed.
OK, I'll seal that pipe. Do you know what color that vacuum line is? Where did it originally go? So it should be in the same area as where that disconnected pipe is?
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Sorry! your is 22 years OPPS!
You have the ant. plates nice
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I believe it comes from the 5-way splitter under the air box and is white in color. It would terminate near the expansion tank/washer fluid tank. I can't see it in your pic so my guess it has been cut or rerouted. I would think if it is not closed you would have a vacuum leak.
While your in there check that your fuel regulator and dampners vacuum lines do not have fuel in them as this would also cause ruch running.
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I have pics I can post when I get home from the office.
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Parroting the above posters:

- It's fat as a pig, right? Too much C and too little O gives CO instead of (desired) CO2.
- Plug the air pipe if it's not plugged. Then see if you can get the mixture right.
- If all else fails, reinstall the air pump. Since the cat is old two way, it may need more O to turn CO into CO2.
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Originally Posted by ptuomov
- If all else fails, reinstall the air pump. Since the cat is old two way, it may need more O to turn CO into CO2.
This has no bearing on emissions whatsoever after warmup, the air is diverted to atmosphere. Continuing pumping air into a hot CAT will result in a meltdown.

My advice to the OP is to have the O2 sensor replaced if he has no record of it ever being done.
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Originally Posted by Bill Swift
This has no bearing on emissions whatsoever after warmup, the air is diverted to atmosphere. Continuing pumping air into a hot CAT will result in a meltdown. My advice to the OP is to have the O2 sensor replaced if he has no record of it ever being done.
Good points.

Don't know jack **** about this, I thought before reading this that the diverter valve worked in a way that that the manifold vacuum/pressure opened the valve and sent the air to cats or airbox. Interesting that it's somehow linked to the temperature as well.

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Default UPDATE:

That pipe to the CAT (from the no longer existing air pump) is in fact capped. I just checked it and it has a cap screwed on to it.
This is a little discouraging since I was hoping that capping that pipe would be a quick fix. So here's what I'm left with at this point:
1. Replace the oxygen sensor
2. Check and make sure there's no vacuum leaks.

Is that about it?


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