Motor Oil
06-14-2010, 05:22 PM
#17
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Not knocking the BG MOA but you've got to love this line in their description on the BG web site.
"At the conclusion of the API Sequence IIIF Engine Test‚ a major brand, high-quality reference oil barely passed the 80-hour test with a viscosity increase of 255 percent. At 80 hours, another brand of oil fortified with BG MOA® had a viscosity increase of only 57 percent."
so what they're saying is there is no relation between the standard (reference oil) and what they tested.
Kind of reminds me of the monty python statement "and now for something completly different"
"At the conclusion of the API Sequence IIIF Engine Test‚ a major brand, high-quality reference oil barely passed the 80-hour test with a viscosity increase of 255 percent. At 80 hours, another brand of oil fortified with BG MOA® had a viscosity increase of only 57 percent."
so what they're saying is there is no relation between the standard (reference oil) and what they tested.
Kind of reminds me of the monty python statement "and now for something completly different"
06-14-2010, 05:37 PM
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After spending as much time as I did in the Lab at Valvoline one thing is certain, most manufactures oils are made to just barely meet the specs when new.
It is the additive pack that cost the real money, so they do not want to use any more of it than they have to.
If you can believe this, when I was there the only oil that was always at the top of the API specs in every grade was Castrol, and we tested oils from every major manufacture in just about every grade every week.
As far as the BG stuff, yea they are not telling you much there are they, but I am sold on it. it does have a lot of the ZDDP in it, that I know.
I had a 1/2 million miles on a Volvo and with the valve cover off at close to 600,000 it still looked new, but it got a oil change with Castrol and MOA every 3,000 miles or less since new.
It is the additive pack that cost the real money, so they do not want to use any more of it than they have to.
If you can believe this, when I was there the only oil that was always at the top of the API specs in every grade was Castrol, and we tested oils from every major manufacture in just about every grade every week.
As far as the BG stuff, yea they are not telling you much there are they, but I am sold on it. it does have a lot of the ZDDP in it, that I know.
I had a 1/2 million miles on a Volvo and with the valve cover off at close to 600,000 it still looked new, but it got a oil change with Castrol and MOA every 3,000 miles or less since new.
Not knocking the BG MOA but you've got to love this line in their description on the BG web site.
"At the conclusion of the API Sequence IIIF Engine Test‚ a major brand, high-quality reference oil barely passed the 80-hour test with a viscosity increase of 255 percent. At 80 hours, another brand of oil fortified with BG MOA® had a viscosity increase of only 57 percent."
so what they're saying is there is no relation between the standard (reference oil) and what they tested.
Kind of reminds me of the monty python statement "and now for something completly different"
"At the conclusion of the API Sequence IIIF Engine Test‚ a major brand, high-quality reference oil barely passed the 80-hour test with a viscosity increase of 255 percent. At 80 hours, another brand of oil fortified with BG MOA® had a viscosity increase of only 57 percent."
so what they're saying is there is no relation between the standard (reference oil) and what they tested.
Kind of reminds me of the monty python statement "and now for something completly different"
06-14-2010, 06:06 PM
#20
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I have head good things about Brad Penn.....personally I run Amsoil racing 15-50.....granted I only have 928 race cars....but every oil analysis comes back clean...good enough for me!!
Helpful hint...get a "Racing" oil...since its labeled racing it does not have to conform to the DOT standards which specific lower zinc levels.....also known as ZDDP.... even after 18 hours on track amsoil STILL has nearly 1500ppm of zinc!!!
Helpful hint...get a "Racing" oil...since its labeled racing it does not have to conform to the DOT standards which specific lower zinc levels.....also known as ZDDP.... even after 18 hours on track amsoil STILL has nearly 1500ppm of zinc!!!
06-14-2010, 07:35 PM
#21
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and the amsoil racing oil has a LOT more zinc now, and less detergent like it used to have
I have head good things about Brad Penn.....personally I run Amsoil racing 15-50.....granted I only have 928 race cars....but every oil analysis comes back clean...good enough for me!!
Helpful hint...get a "Racing" oil...since its labeled racing it does not have to conform to the DOT standards which specific lower zinc levels.....also known as ZDDP.... even after 18 hours on track amsoil STILL has nearly 1500ppm of zinc!!!
Helpful hint...get a "Racing" oil...since its labeled racing it does not have to conform to the DOT standards which specific lower zinc levels.....also known as ZDDP.... even after 18 hours on track amsoil STILL has nearly 1500ppm of zinc!!!
06-14-2010, 07:37 PM
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06-14-2010, 07:44 PM
#23
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yep, and scot (and I) saw some major viscosity break down at a hot track with both mobil 1 and vavoline. I dont know what valvoline, but it was valvoline racing. I could tell it was the bad stuff (not amsoil or redline) even during street driving based on oil pressure readings on a hot summer day around town.
amsoil seems to not break down and thats why I use it, and have used it for more racing days than all the race cars on this list combined. (or something like that.
) Anyway, 10 years of racing, 5 different racing engine platforms and no bearing issues or hurt engines, is a huge departure from the average here. 
If anyone saw the holbert engine after it was taken apart, they would never used anything but amsoil. It looked brand new inside. all oil analysis came back perfect and this is an engine that was 22 years old, beat to snot, and raced without ever missing a race for 8 seasons in a row!
amsoil seems to not break down and thats why I use it, and have used it for more racing days than all the race cars on this list combined. (or something like that.
) Anyway, 10 years of racing, 5 different racing engine platforms and no bearing issues or hurt engines, is a huge departure from the average here. If anyone saw the holbert engine after it was taken apart, they would never used anything but amsoil. It looked brand new inside. all oil analysis came back perfect and this is an engine that was 22 years old, beat to snot, and raced without ever missing a race for 8 seasons in a row!
You've heard of viscosity breakdown, right? I forget which oil co. has made that their moniker, but that's what I'm talking about. When the oil gets really really hot, it can begin to breakdown and loose viscosity - i.e. it gets thin. When the oil gets thin, it flows through the bearing and passages too fast to provide the protection the engine needs. The indication that this is happening is that oil pressure tends to drop. The more it breaks down, the more the pressure drop. This can be a bad thing. So you want an oil that can maintain viscosity at high temps.
If it's bleeding, it probably needs new gaskets. It's true that the synthetic oil molecules are more uniform in size and as such have a tendency to seep through small passages that conventional oil may tend to plug up, but the real fix is to replace the seals of the "bleeding" parts.
If it's bleeding, it probably needs new gaskets. It's true that the synthetic oil molecules are more uniform in size and as such have a tendency to seep through small passages that conventional oil may tend to plug up, but the real fix is to replace the seals of the "bleeding" parts.
06-16-2010, 03:38 PM
#26
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