Nine Twenty Eight or Nine Two Eight?
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When you find someone who is 1369+ years old you can ask them LOL.
I was thinking about this today, and I think the US has it sorted grammatically.
In an emergency you dial 911 - pronounced nine one one three individual numbers
The day the twin towers fell down was 911 or september 11 or nine eleven - eleventh day of the 9th month.
That leads us to a conundrum
9 at the beginning just means Porsche (ignoring the 356 and IIRC P wanted to use 901 for the first 911 but 901 is "owned" by Peugeot) so let us accept that 9= Porsche post 356.
So the first post 356 P model was the 911
9 being Porsche 1 being the first model, second 1 being the first derivative of the first model
- then came the 912.
9 -1 - 2, 2 being the second derivative of the the first model.
etc
914 not the fourth derivative but a 4 cylinder variant of the beetle derived design
Jumping forwards
924
2= radical change in design philosophy - engine at front gearbox at rear ahead of the rear axle centreline, 4 = four cylinders
928
8= eight cylinders
Thus it's a Nine Two Eight not a Nine Twenty Eight
Isn't it amazing what creative thought a decent Shiraz can liberate !
I was thinking about this today, and I think the US has it sorted grammatically.
In an emergency you dial 911 - pronounced nine one one three individual numbers
The day the twin towers fell down was 911 or september 11 or nine eleven - eleventh day of the 9th month.
That leads us to a conundrum
9 at the beginning just means Porsche (ignoring the 356 and IIRC P wanted to use 901 for the first 911 but 901 is "owned" by Peugeot) so let us accept that 9= Porsche post 356.
So the first post 356 P model was the 911
9 being Porsche 1 being the first model, second 1 being the first derivative of the first model
- then came the 912.
9 -1 - 2, 2 being the second derivative of the the first model.
etc
914 not the fourth derivative but a 4 cylinder variant of the beetle derived design
Jumping forwards
924
2= radical change in design philosophy - engine at front gearbox at rear ahead of the rear axle centreline, 4 = four cylinders
928
8= eight cylinders
Thus it's a Nine Two Eight not a Nine Twenty Eight
Isn't it amazing what creative thought a decent Shiraz can liberate !
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Projekt numbers...
The French guys had the 90x series of numbers already in use, and there's no winning with them. So the Porsche 90x road cars became the Porsche 91x road cars on the outside, but internally were referred to by the original Projekt numbers. Early 911 parts and even chassis numbers IIRC are 90x prefix. Interestingly, the 90x sport/competition cars kept their original series numbering on the outside.
Was the third model digit on the 908 and 928 cars because of the 8 cylinders, the 4 in 914, 924 and 944 for the four cylinders? But the 904 didn't fit that pattern. And then why didn't the 968 come with 8 cylinders? Why do they short 997 drivers a cylinder?
The French guys had the 90x series of numbers already in use, and there's no winning with them. So the Porsche 90x road cars became the Porsche 91x road cars on the outside, but internally were referred to by the original Projekt numbers. Early 911 parts and even chassis numbers IIRC are 90x prefix. Interestingly, the 90x sport/competition cars kept their original series numbering on the outside.
Was the third model digit on the 908 and 928 cars because of the 8 cylinders, the 4 in 914, 924 and 944 for the four cylinders? But the 904 didn't fit that pattern. And then why didn't the 968 come with 8 cylinders? Why do they short 997 drivers a cylinder?
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Projekt numbers...
The French guys had the 90x series of numbers already in use, and there's no winning with them. So the Porsche 90x road cars became the Porsche 91x road cars on the outside, but internally were referred to by the original Projekt numbers. Early 911 parts and even chassis numbers IIRC are 90x prefix. Interestingly, the 90x sport/competition cars kept their original series numbering on the outside.
Was the third model digit on the 908 and 928 cars because of the 8 cylinders, the 4 in 914, 924 and 944 for the four cylinders? But the 904 didn't fit that pattern. And then why didn't the 968 come with 8 cylinders? Why do they short 997 drivers a cylinder?
The French guys had the 90x series of numbers already in use, and there's no winning with them. So the Porsche 90x road cars became the Porsche 91x road cars on the outside, but internally were referred to by the original Projekt numbers. Early 911 parts and even chassis numbers IIRC are 90x prefix. Interestingly, the 90x sport/competition cars kept their original series numbering on the outside.
Was the third model digit on the 908 and 928 cars because of the 8 cylinders, the 4 in 914, 924 and 944 for the four cylinders? But the 904 didn't fit that pattern. And then why didn't the 968 come with 8 cylinders? Why do they short 997 drivers a cylinder?
That's all pretty good, Dr Bob, except that the 904 actually does fit that pattern. The 904 was designed with the 587-4 engine which was a 2 liter gear driven overhead cam 4 cylinder engine also used in the 2000GS cars of 63, 64 and, I think, 65, the 356 cars known as the Carrera 2. The 904 was only later fitted with a version of the 6 cylinder engine from the 911.
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Before this thread degnerates one way or another can I point out that my post was made under the influence - and was purely the meanderings/imagination of a Shiraz soaked brain - does not contain any hard facts other than Peugeot owning the "901" moniker, and the obvious ones like sharks having 8 cylinders.
Before this thread degnerates one way or another can I point out that my post was made under the influence - and was purely the meanderings/imagination of a Shiraz soaked brain - does not contain any hard facts other than Peugeot owning the "901" moniker, and the obvious ones like sharks having 8 cylinders.
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