Landseer

I was partway through an intake job on a chevy lumina the day that I first turned a wrench on the 928.

Its been 2 years and the lumina is still sitting where it was then. Can't bring myself to work on that throwaway car anymore. The 928 is exactly as Greg describes it, brilliant analogy, its a heavy base with modular replaceable subcomponents. I love working on them (as an amateur / hobby )

fraggle

That's too funny.

I get tired of working on cars I Need (or my wife needs) much faster than I get tired of the 928.

Gretch

The shark is a work of art........ from every angle. That alone motivates me to maintain the beauty and sublime functionality of it.





Plus, it goes like stink, with profound and convincing confidence, like no other 20+ year old car I have ever driven. And it STILL turns heads, even before they see it coming, they hear it. I really admire that.

Shark Attack

Allow me to explain that comment. The 996 has this "IMS" issue that is running the value right into the dirt. It kind of reminds me of the 928 TBF issue. Although people claim to have better solutions, no one has proven they found why this bearing fails. Thus not really proving their solutions is going to work. It seems they want to do the "man" thing and just put in a way over engineered bearing. ( and Hey, its all we have at this point, at least they are trying!!) Again Porsches next attempt at water cooling. But this time around instead of cowering to the self proclaimed "911 purists" Porsche said screw you we have to move on. With prices dropping, more people like myself are going to buy the cars. The average working class guy who can afford the car but couldnt afford the car if he couldnt be his own wrench. Or who also likes to be his own wrench. You are going to get a lot fo joe rednecks thinking they just got the deal of a century and find out that they need a $14000 engine and then let the car rust in the weeds. Over on the 996 board a lot of people are having a hard time with the drastic drop in price. Many of these people will end up again letting the car sit and rust away like a lot of 928's did. They will slowly re-appear in 10 years and sold on ebay.....As people like me are lucky enough (or unlucky) to find one way back in the field on a mice sunday drive when a detour took us out of our way.


Watch it mister, and I fixed it for you

jcb928

At the prices they are selling for now I will probably own one soon.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Beaut...item23050cc184

Black Sea RD

Hi Kyle,

Thought LN engineering has the IMS solution figured out as well as the reasons why the 996 engines have different problems to include the dreaded IMS isue.

Cheers,

MBMB

Shape the blue outline like a pilsner-type glass?

ew928

'Parts is Parts'
A Roger Tyson company.

Shark Attack

Now I am not talking bad about LN here at all. They have done the homework. As best they can. They actually have a whole shaft mod and bearing that you can do to the car. They also have just a bearing upgrade. But if you read their website they are the first to say, In so many words "we dont know if this is the fix. We really dont promise anything" Although they have a "computer simulation" that shows how the bearing fails... Fact is, they really dont know. And how can they. The bearings fail on 5K mile cars and up. No rhime, no reason... You can take care of the car perfect and still lose an engine at 30K. Or I know of one that is over 200K and still going.

So to wrap it up, I like to call it the "man fix" over engineer the crap out of it with this ceramic bearing and hold on and see what happens....

Yes they also have a theory why heads break. They feel the cars too hot. But again, not really proven. But all the research points to this. I also ordered the thermostat kit.

Its all we have at this point. Im running with it. I ordered my bearing and am awaiting its arrival. They know more about it than I do... So i will just their judgment and keep my fingers crossed

Shark Attack

I saw a 74K mile 2000 coup in NY, not far from here, go for 14 the other day. I pitty the people who are taking a bath on them right now. I always wanted one but could never afford one. I have watched, not beable to touch ANY watercooled 911 for under 30K 2 years ago It was odd to see one at $29,999.00, to dropping into the teens on price. And Porsche basically gives these poor people the finger if the warranty is up. And even so,. that is legit.. warranty is warranty Period.. But the poor souls that are still in warranty and have lost 50% of the cars value in 24 months is really really sad.

But hey it allows guys like to to get in and have one.

Landseer

Kyle, is the price drop all about the reliability concerns?

Shark Attack

Thats my opinion. The value of a older unit 993 crushes the value of a 996-997 NON Turbo... Turbos are still pulling very strong 30's 40's and 50's maybe more. One, becasue they are turbo but also do not have the IMS issue. One can argu the 993 is the "last aircooled" and thats why.. I say BS becasue of the turbo resale numbers and also the only people that are going to not buy a watercooled 911 are teh self proclaimed "911 pureist". Its my opinion they hear about the issue and drop down to a 993 to avoid it. driving up the 993 value.

User 4221

If I recall, the 996 turbo and GT-3 used the bottom-end from the 993. This is why they are not seeing the same issues as the M96 engines.

Shark Attack

All I have been told is "its Porsches proven race engine". I dont know what the exact difference is

fraggle

Yes, gt2, gt3 and turbo used the gt1 (circa 1997?) Dry sump Block. That is changing for the next generation.