'91-95 rear fender liner - new possible reproduction (maybe '87-90's?)
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Rob I doubt the front of the GTS is supposed to be wider than the GT/S4 ... often when the front spoiler is banged on stoppers while parking, the fenders will flare ... previous owners suck
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Being able to trim down the rear liners would be great for me for the S4. Having more material out to the fenderwell edge would also be great as my Strosek is wider than the GTS.
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Put me down for a set for my 87 S4, If you make them I'll buy a set. Thanks, Joe
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I want to respond to some of the last postings, but will have to wait on some of it. One thing is that if the liner were to be trimmed to fit a narrower car, where do you think that would put the finished edge? Unless the liner went straight in from the wheel well opening, the trim would put the edge up above the opening and not fit too well. My design will alleviate the need for trimming and will fit any of the cars that have the same wheel opening no matterhow far it is located from the inside.
On this same note, it looks like the Storsek car (if that is it pictured) has a drifferent shape of wheel opening. For my design to fit will require a modification to the forming machine to accomodate the different shape. What I will need is to have that car here for a couple of months to drive so that I can be sure to get the right shape for its liners. When I get closer I'll send my address and we can work out the scheduling. Spring and early summer will be best.
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On this same note, it looks like the Storsek car (if that is it pictured) has a drifferent shape of wheel opening. For my design to fit will require a modification to the forming machine to accomodate the different shape. What I will need is to have that car here for a couple of months to drive so that I can be sure to get the right shape for its liners. When I get closer I'll send my address and we can work out the scheduling. Spring and early summer will be best.
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One other thing I think I need to know is how far up into the wheel well area the rear wheels are likely to articulate in full upward flex? I want to design liners that will not be destroyed or even contacted by the tire when someone goes over something that might cause the suspension to bottom out. Does anyone have an idea? This shound be measured from the top edge of the wheel opening upward.
I suppose I can make this determination, but it will take me the time to remove the rear shock/spring and then push the wheel up to its limit. Any help will be appreciated.
Jerry Feather
I suppose I can make this determination, but it will take me the time to remove the rear shock/spring and then push the wheel up to its limit. Any help will be appreciated.
Jerry Feather
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Jerry,
As I recall, from the time I had my rear liners out, there is about 1" of foam insulation between the wheel side of the liner and the side that contacts the top/inside of the quarter panel where it fastens. Others may have a better idea of the space available, but with a car at near stock ride height, there is a LOT of room up there.
Gary Knox
As I recall, from the time I had my rear liners out, there is about 1" of foam insulation between the wheel side of the liner and the side that contacts the top/inside of the quarter panel where it fastens. Others may have a better idea of the space available, but with a car at near stock ride height, there is a LOT of room up there.
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Yes Gary: I can see that there is a lot of space above the tire in the rear wheel well. I just want to figure out how much of it should realistically be used for the liners. I can see by the pictures that others have posted for us that the original liners are only about 3 inches above the upper edge of the wheel opening.
I plan to make these liners so that they are 4 and maybe 5 inches above the upper edge of the opening. I would like to confirm some way that that will be enough.
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I plan to make these liners so that they are 4 and maybe 5 inches above the upper edge of the opening. I would like to confirm some way that that will be enough.
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The first 4 pictures are of the passenger side (new liner) and the last 2 are of the drivers side (original liner) The foam pad thickness on the new one is 1 1/2 thick and in the very top (the twelve o'clock position it need to be pushed up in order to get the screw to take (there was no foam in a 2 1/2 inch radius from any of the screw holes
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I'm guessing that's the right side fender liner. I got the left one from Roger a few weeks ago and although it has the correct part number, it's not got the width to fit the GTS fenders, it's an inch or two short of reaching the inner rolled lip of the fender and also doesn't reach up into the top of the fender well like the original.
I'm guessing that's the right side fender liner. I got the left one from Roger a few weeks ago and although it has the correct part number, it's not got the width to fit the GTS fenders, it's an inch or two short of reaching the inner rolled lip of the fender and also doesn't reach up into the top of the fender well like the original.
From the previous posted pictures you can see that neither my original installed and replacement unit are touching the inner rolled lip there's just a slight compression against the inside of the fender.
I regards to the top I found that with some push you can catch the top holes and with some longer screws and extra wide washers you can lock them up against the screw hole stops
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Now I guess I am going to need to find out more about the mounting points for these liners in the GTS cars. My S4's don't have any mounting points, but if I am going to design these liners to fit primarily the GTS cars with the plan to retrofit the S4's and possibly the earlier 928's I am going got need to plan for these actual mounting points. It will help if someone will send pictures of all the mounting points , then I will have to figure out pretty closely where they are located.
Thanks for your help.
Jerry Feather
Thanks for your help.
Jerry Feather
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I may be wrong, but I don't think there is any difference in the rear quarter panel wheel well width between the S4's and the GT's. It is my opinion that Porsche made the liners for the '91 cars, then just continued to use the same ones with the GTS's with their 3/4 inch wider wheel well/wheel offset. The liners in my '94 GTS do not come out to the edge of the fenders, but terminate about 3/4 inch in from the edge!
Just my observation!!
Gary Knox
Just my observation!!
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The GTS liners do come all the way out to the fender. The new ones Porsche is making are for S4/GT fenders, but are carrying the same part number for the GTS. They do not fit.
I recently installed one NOS and one of the newly made liners. NOS fit like a dream, new part doesn't fit the GTS. See pictures below.
NOS passenger side:
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New Part Run for driver side (PSD side):
![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/cold_beer839/Liner001.jpg)
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Thanks for the pictures that have been posted. They are helpful. I still would like to know how far above the top of the wheel opening the top mounting points are for the liners in the GTS. Any help with this will be appreciated. I am getting close to a pretty good guess, but would like to know for sure.
I bought two oven coils today for my new forming oven, which I said before I was going to call the "blow oven." I also bought 80 feet of angle iron to start building the framework for the oven. I got a price on the aluminum that I will need to build the inside of the oven, and it is not going to be too expensive, including the cutting and bending. PROGRESS!!!
I am going to have to work on my aluminum welding skill, but this is going to be a good opportunity for some practice. I think it will turn out servicable, but if not too pretty I wont be posting any pictures of it.
I also got some good direction about wiring the coils for the oven. What I need to find now is some way to seal the coils where they will transition from outside the oven to inside where I am going to need to hold air pressure. I can make a close fit around the coils which is about 1/4 inch diameter at each point of penetration, but I will need some kind of substance to seal the holes around the coils that is very resistant to the heat. Any ideas?
Jerry Feather, FBA Certified
S4's (6)
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New hatch latch receiver liners
New deeper 928 center console glove box
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I bought two oven coils today for my new forming oven, which I said before I was going to call the "blow oven." I also bought 80 feet of angle iron to start building the framework for the oven. I got a price on the aluminum that I will need to build the inside of the oven, and it is not going to be too expensive, including the cutting and bending. PROGRESS!!!
I am going to have to work on my aluminum welding skill, but this is going to be a good opportunity for some practice. I think it will turn out servicable, but if not too pretty I wont be posting any pictures of it.
I also got some good direction about wiring the coils for the oven. What I need to find now is some way to seal the coils where they will transition from outside the oven to inside where I am going to need to hold air pressure. I can make a close fit around the coils which is about 1/4 inch diameter at each point of penetration, but I will need some kind of substance to seal the holes around the coils that is very resistant to the heat. Any ideas?
Jerry Feather, FBA Certified
S4's (6)
New 928 spare tire covers
New hatch latch receiver liners
New deeper 928 center console glove box
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