danglerb

Apparently the butler didn't do it in the library with a candlestick.

I'll try and stop in Th/Fri with more details, well not actually details since we don't actually have any details. I did find a new tool to buy though. Anything you need from HF?

Gretch

Man this one is PACKED I tell you, PACKED, with comic relief......

Wonder how long this episode of twilight zone can run........ I spose we will see.

docmirror

Hey, I said many pages ago that they aren't under my kitchen table.

This thread has the Gretch stamp of approval, and it's built using recycled electrons, I don't know what more a guy could ask for? Now if we can figure out why I still keep clicking it....... I guess it has a certain 'train wreck' attraction.

Tim Murphy

That's classic

BC

Greg (AUS) sold some heads (with work done) to a guy here that many people know to be a lying, stealing, pain-killer-addicted confused individual. Many people have had good relations with him - much in the same way you can survive 5 times out of 6 playing russian roulette with a Smith &Wesson to your head. Many others have had things stolen from their garage, from their driveway, etc.

In the middle of this is Motorsports in utah, who was somehow involved in such a way that the heads may have passed through them and they may or may not have switched this set with a very different, much less valuable set - and the original drug addict does not notice for a very long time.

Greg started the thread in hopes to HELP the drug-addict confused man who I believe blames the two men in Utah who run the motorsports shop. HELP in the form of looking for heads of a particular type which may be in someone else's possession without their knowledge.

Clear as mud, I know.

The only one here clear of any shadow is Greg in Australia.

Seriously - its just a mine-field out there. People on the take left and right. That's most of the reason I do most of my own work. If I can figure out how to do it right, I will know 100% it was done right and if its not there is no-one to blame but me. I can count the number of people I trust to do paid work in this automotive hobby of mine on one hand while still having enough fingers left to tell someone to F-off.

That's all I got Greg. And its probably wrong.

BC

Oh, and someone who the Drug-addict knows is on here as Popeye defending him. And failing in that effort.

bronto

Motorsports is working on my AC as we speak. Very professional. I haven't met Dave yet but Garrity is great, telling me exactly the problem and suggesting alternatives, one of which is a real gift. Should be back on the road tomorrow.

Ketchmi

Something I find very interesting is that when the heads were delivered, they were vanilla used GT heads with corrosion craters that required welding and a had a mild port match. Now they are some ultra-rare unobtanium, never sold to the public, super SUPER secret propritary porting job done by NASA engineers pulled from their shuttle jobs, monster heads worth literally millions of dollars that would cause global destruction if they got into the wrong hands. WTF?

Maybe someone can explain that to me...

Landseer

Maybe, sir, that explains the lack of pictures all the way around.

Why do 928's bring-out the best and the worst of men?

ew928

Oh where, Oh where has the special GT heads gone?
Oh where, Oh where can they be.

White Lightnin'

IIRC, Greg said he boxed up the parts and a courier came to his house to pick them up and deliver them to the shipper.

Courier and shipper: 2 more possible crooks in the chain of custody.

The parts are gone. History.

IF Dozman got taken... then from what others have said, KARMA has been served.

Just my .02

Landseer

They apparently never existed?

slate blue

O.K just to clarify things for all. I sent a crate full of parts, some bits custom and or individually identifiable, these consisted of genuine GT heads off a 1990 my GT. The heads had GTS cooling mods which were preformed by me. The intake manifold was ported, much like I would think the one that you (Greg B.) did that was posted on here, the guys that did this work do all my reco work and development and have a flow bench plus the experience to use it.

All the various nuts and bolts were re-plated, all the parts had been cleaned in fact the heads were tank cleaned, and because of corrosion on the mating surface, I blasted them to clean to get rid of the all corrosion. I am a qualified welder and for those who may not know the processes of welding aluminium the first thing is to get your subject matter perfectly clean. So now we have heads that have the factory port matching and cooling mods and a blasted finish on the faces. Obviously the heads could have had work since.

Then there is all the other various parts that make up the the top end of the engine, (minus cams) as a mechanic you would know it takes a lot of work to pull the engine down and then clean it all up and then start the reco process. The short motor was sold a another Rennlister in Australia and the top half was sold to a Rennlister in the U.S.

The heads had been fully inspected here at my regular head shop and I also personally had the valves miked at a friends Porsche workshop, I remember this well as I had to take them to save some money and to get all the carbon off the valve heads, I used the wire buff wheel and this worked well, the tank doesn't get this very hard stuff off, the reason I raise this is that I was accused of sending faulty inferior parts to my buyer.

So the sale and delivery was around mid 2006, we could have put the heads back together here, for quite a reasonable price too but the buyer said the shop that I was shipping to owed him some money and I wanted to avoid a potential blame game if something went wrong with the build somewhere. It is always my preference to have one person a do a job regardless of who it is.

Now some of this is not directly my business, mainly because they are not charging me but they told the buyer these heads need a lot of work. The buyer then told them to contact me, they then questioned me about sanding valve stems. I had no idea what they were on about. I never sanded any valve stems, I will I have never sanded valve stems period.

The valves I supplied were ready for reuse, the seats in the head needed re-cutting but when doing a the clean up of the bowls, the seats all get re-cut with the performance cutter. Before the heads were blasted (with fine media) I made sure the buyer knew that the seats would need re-cutting but this as I explained. It was part of the actual port/flow improvements and bowl work. (Have a good look at the bowls/throat area in the 928 heads) I wanted to make sure that the place doing the work in the U.S was going to do the same work, otherwise I wouldn't have done it this way.

If we were just putting the heads back together stock I would have gone and got some spare valves. You also have to remember that the abrasives were not aimed at the seats but at the oxides where the heads were corroded. Apparently the repair of the corrosion was a big deal too, I never I understood this, the cleaning was done and the quotes I had here were cheap, before anybody jumps on me for not doing the welding, I didn't own the AC/DC tig I own now.

O.K so where is the problem, much time goes by, this is probably 2008, the buyer tells me he has his car at the shop too, the buyer doesn't live near the shop so he can't really call in, this is where it gets complicated and I have stayed out of this part as much as I could but I had to understand it as it is interrelated.

There is certainly a disagreement about the work on the car and I think work on the heads I sent. An investigator gets called in from the State, there is a deal struck to go there separate ways. The deal is dependent on certain things happening. Now this is where I get involved again, the deal as I understand was dependent on the heads that I sent from Australia getting to the buyer in a re-useable reconditioned state.

So what I am told is that all the parts I sent from Australia, none are locatable, the buyer is just going to get the heads. I am then shown pictures by the buyer, lots of them, they are NOT the heads I sent, there is NO doubt about this, the heads I saw are not even GT heads. From the pictures I saw they have a number of issues that will stop them being used at all perhaps permanently. This has been confirmed by local experts.

So the shop in question has never explained where all the parts went to, they still haven't. It is not a wild goose chase to me, I know what I sent.

By Fst951
I am told they were not missing up to six months before the buyer was going to pick them up. There was a crate I custom built which the buyer paid for there for his property why not leave all the parts in that crate? The crate is also missing apparently.

So the deal fell over because the wrong heads sent, go back to page 4 and you will see all types of video filming etc, on page 4 there is also the statement .
By Ketchmi

So these guys have so many heads, maybe they do, I do not know but I was forwarded an email from shop saying that the heads sent to the buyer were the only GT heads they had as such they must be yours. (the buyer's) In the email there was no disputing from the shop that the heads had been switched by the buyer. They offered to get the holes drilled. So they should realize, by that statement of theirs, that they have not sent the correct heads.

They voided the deal by sending the wrong parts. This is of course two fold, the heads are apparently not useable either. That part has little to do with me except for purposes of identifying parts. So now that the deal is voided where are the rest of the parts???? So close to cubic metre of crated parts goes missing and nobody has any idea where they are?


By Ketchmi
Why is there a need for a legal guide? They say I have had the wool pulled over my eyes. Just tell me where are the parts, you have involved me in this, I didn't inform the buyer I was starting this thread and the shop involved named themselves. So there was obviously a belief on their part it would be to their advantage to do that, but then there was quiet! You tell your story, you have had plenty of time for your legal guide. Can the truth hurt? It doesn't hurt me. I am trying to find the parts as I am sick of this.

Greg

danglerb

I thought we decided it wasn't Dozman?

White Lightnin'

Not sure anyone has given any decisive identification of the party in question... that name is being used as a filler.