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Old 06-05-2009, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Brett Jenkins
I understood that he was referring to the mounting holes. I was speculating on whether it was possible to use alternate rotors and be able to use alternate rims. If it's time to change your rotors, then custom rims would not be cheaper at all. It's only speculation.

Alternate rims? I don't follow. What do new rotors have to do with wheels?
Old 06-05-2009, 11:26 AM
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I think he might be referring to those wheels that have an main center that is too close to the caliper. edit: that doesnt make sense. if we change the rotor offset, we need to change the caliper position and that is not easy to do. If it was, we could use the 993TT rotors.

Originally Posted by dprantl
I'm not sure I understand your connection between rotors and wheels? The rotors just have holes that the wheel studs in the hub go through. If your wheel stud spacing is 5x130mm, your rotors must match this and so must your wheels.

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Old 06-05-2009, 11:36 AM
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Will the hub hole fit over our hub?
Old 06-05-2009, 11:38 AM
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Am I the only one here that thinks brakes are up there with fuel lines on the list of things you don't want to mess with?

I mean I like surprises as much as the next guy, but not when I'm going for the brakes.
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Originally Posted by Mike Frye
Am I the only one here that thinks brakes are up there with fuel lines on the list of things you don't want to mess with?

I mean I like surprises as much as the next guy, but not when I'm going for the brakes.
Rotors are just big hunks of metal. If they are properly designed, balanced, positioned and secured, there won't be any problem.

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Old 06-05-2009, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr

Alternate rims? I don't follow. What do new rotors have to do with wheels?

I'm sorry, I'm off my meds this morning. Rotors don't have wheels studs on them, do they? It's not like I haven't looked at them a thousand times.
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Originally Posted by Mike Frye
Am I the only one here that thinks brakes are up there with fuel lines on the list of things you don't want to mess with?
Drilling new holes in rotors isn't all that uncommon in the domestic world. Ford guys convert 4-lug rotors to 5.

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I'm sorry, I'm off my meds this morning. Rotors don't have wheels studs on them, do they? It's not like I haven't looked at them a thousand times.
Oh yea. One of the budget ways to convert a 4-lug Mustang to 5 is using Lincoln 5-lug front rotors which have the studs attached.
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I just showed a picture of the rotors. no studs on the rotors, just holes.
Originally Posted by Brett Jenkins
I'm sorry, I'm off my meds this morning. Rotors don't have wheels studs on them, do they? It's not like I haven't looked at them a thousand times.
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good question. I was going to pull one and make sure. the main thing is the bearing cap/cover. that looks ok. the next thing would be the hub,and both rotors (ours and the mercedes) have a pretty large hole to allow air to enter the cooling vanes. Ill check.



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Will the hub hole fit over our hub?
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Originally Posted by dprantl
Rotors are just big hunks of metal. If they are properly designed, balanced, positioned and secured, there won't be any problem.

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I was just going by Anthony's (Cobalt's) experience of rotors coming apart. Is messing with the casting or drilling it not going to weaken them in ways that could be bad if you don't have machine shop level tools? I'm thinking of all the heat cycles they go through and any rotating assembly has to be balanced perfectly.
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Shouldnt be an issue to drill properly spaced holes. we are not messing with the casting. Only drilling simple holes. these rotors are bolted on with some space in the holes anyway. Its not like an interference fit or something exact. Its pretty tight fit, but not something that even hand tools couldnt do. (however, one mistake and the rotor is junk.)
The rotor /wheel speed is not like flywheel clutch stuff.
I forgot what happened with Colbalt's rotor coming apart? was it modified?



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I was just going by Anthony's (Cobalt's) experience of rotors coming apart. Is messing with the casting or drilling it not going to weaken them in ways that could be bad if you don't have machine shop level tools? I'm thinking of all the heat cycles they go through and any rotating assembly has to be balanced perfectly.
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I think he meant using the merc hub as supposed to the 928 hub.

As to drilling the holes, this is an easy job, but what you need to check is if the ID (part that slides over the hub) is the same ID as the 928 one as this is what centers it on the front. If this ID is the same then this could work.
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Good point. certainly a deal killer if it doesn't.

Ill check

Originally Posted by Lizard931
I think he meant using the merc hub as supposed to the 928 hub.

As to drilling the holes, this is an easy job, but what you need to check is if the ID (part that slides over the hub) is the same ID as the 928 one as this is what centers it on the front. If this ID is the same then this could work.
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
Shouldnt be an issue to drill properly spaced holes. we are not messing with the casting. Only drilling simple holes. these rotors are bolted on with some space in the holes anyway. Its not like an interference fit or something exact. Its pretty tight fit, but not something that even hand tools couldnt do. (however, one mistake and the rotor is junk.)
The rotor /wheel speed is not like flywheel clutch stuff.
I forgot what happened with Colbalt's rotor coming apart? was it modified?
Just what he said on page 1. If the unmolested Zims can come apart in stock form, (I have no reason to doubt him on this, and I don't think he has any reason to make it up) then I'd think modifying them would increase the likelihood, or at least not decrease it. I'm all for mods, I'd just be leery of using brake parts in an application other than the one for which they were designed.

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<snip> Zimmerman is an aftermarket rotor and is far less quality than the Porsche OE manufacturer. I have seen their rotors fall apart under hard use and although they look the same the veining in the casting is not the same design and offers less air flow. We actually cut one of each apart for a brake demo. The zimmerman cut easily and the OE was much harder to cut. this might be why the have a tendency to groove more than the OE rotors. I was told but could be wrong that the holes are drilled not cast.
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Originally Posted by Lizard931
I think he meant using the merc hub as supposed to the 928 hub.

As to drilling the holes, this is an easy job, but what you need to check is if the ID (part that slides over the hub) is the same ID as the 928 one as this is what centers it on the front. If this ID is the same then this could work.
So you are saying they are in fact hub-centered, just not centered on the same feature as the wheel centers on? That's what I thought... Centering on studs is -- shall we say -- less than ideal.


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