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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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Charley, Steve, Doc makes some excellent points in response to some of your questions. Every time this comes up there is discussion of making it mandatory, and that is one of the points where SEMA tries to put a stake firmly in the ground in their fight -- and they have to engage in this battle every couple of years. Also, these programs are about crushing cars. This could reduce the number of 928s that end up with friends like those at 928 International... not a good thing IMHO. Beyond all that, there is the question of whether it's a good use of tax $.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 02:16 PM
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Look at Brendan's signature. If you comprehend that, then you'll comprehend this topic.

Then realize that it certainly IS OUR gubmint. If we become vocal about any issue and bend our esteemed hot air balloon representatives' ears enough, they will yeild to our wishes. Spend your time writing your congressperson. It sounds trite, but it isn't. Rumor has it that our wonderful and inspiring Senator Dianne Feinstein, in spite of her constituents' wishes for gun control carries a revolver in her purse because she says she decided years ago to never be a victim. She vehemently opposes the NRA and fights officially for gun control and bans on personal right to carry. But she yeilds to constituent pressure. It only takes all of us to make a call once in awhile to remind these goons that they work for us. God bless America.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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Apologies if this is an Enzo, a friend sent this and I though it was hilarious. Just change "Suburu" to "Porsche 928".

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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by soontobered84
When you involve the government in a facet of life, it invariable gets F***ked up.
Examples include the railroads, the telecommunications industry, the airline industry, the health care industry, and banking. Now they want to control the auto industry.
This all stems from politician's beliefs that tax dollars are the government's money, and the government knows best how to spend it. AT some point people should wake up and realize that it is NOT the government's money, but yours, mine and our money that the government is spending. END OF RANT (for now)
If there hadn't been child labor, the gov't wouldn't have gotten involved with child labor laws. Likewise, the gov't will eventually get involved in health care, (more than now) when it becomes apparent that it is broken. And it is broken now, just a question of how bad. Part of Detroit's problem is the pennsion/medical system. I'm not defending anything from Detroit, but they would like the gov't to take over the pension system so they can get out from under the medical costs. A truly national health care syst would remove this from industry's back, and then maybe Detroit could compete, until then, it won't happen. Yes, taxpayer would have to foot the bill, there is no free lunch. Look at how expensive our system is compared nationalized systems and compare the quality. No comparison between US and them.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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Steve, how many doctors do you know? Talk to almost anyone in the healthcare biz and they will tell you that a disproportionate amount of healthcare costs are overhead, just filling out the ridiculous paperwork that has resulted from the last attempt to revamp healthcare, and that the insurance companies require in their ongoing quest to find excuses to not pay for services.

Also, the quality of healthcare in the US leaves a lot to be desired -- the worst are the HMOs but even with other plans the tendency is for doctors to make no effort to diagnose any problem, blame any illness on a virus and shunt you out the door(and of course charge insurance for the non-service). Note that 100,000 people in the US die each year from the drugs they were SUPPOSED to get -- never mind how many die because they get the wrong drug or because nobody can predict the interactions of the dozens of drugs they are taking. You have doctors pushing drugs that have been ramrodded through trials and approvals, partly because someone saw a commercial about some drug that will make them feel like a Disney cartoon, partly because of drug company kickbacks. Some of this can be blamed on government intervention, some can be blamed on non-intervention... take your pick.

All the while you have the rug pulled out from under Chiropractors, no longer covered by Worker's comp. So injured workers go to a doctor who will give them a lifetime prescription for painkillers yet never even attempt to fix problems that are entirely fixable.

The gov't may not have effed up the healthcare system single-handedly, but they played the starring role and the idea that the same jerks can fix it now is a pipe dream.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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I'm changing my primary care physician to a DO (osteopath) instead of my current MD to combat that "treat with painkillers" syndrome.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 09:37 PM
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I believe in the slippery slope. The government really intends to use the carrot and stick approach. Offer you an incentive to junk your old car today, tax you out of it tomorrow.

Many state have an excise tax. Will the incentive exceed the excise tax? If the incentive doesn't exceed the taxes, then the plan will fail. What will they do then, tax us out of our old cars?

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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 12:45 AM
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I will not spend my life waiting for the gubmint's other shoe to fall. I will not spend my life waiting for the gubmint's other shoe to fall. I will not spend my.......................................
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Charley B
I will not spend my life waiting for the gubmint's other shoe to fall. I will not spend my life waiting for the gubmint's other shoe to fall. I will not spend my.......................................
The People's Republic of CA has been offering this for years now. Hell, they offered me a whopping $750 to junk your Euro, Charlie. I'm not losing any sleep over it. As long as I can keep passing the ever toughening CA smog test, I'm happy. Wife's '89 passed with flying colors earlier this week!
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 01:08 AM
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Hi Paul. The Euro has another 10k miles and running great as a DD. You did one heck of a job with that build. I'm still impressed everytime I drive it. And let me tell you son, I beat the crap out of it.
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 08:57 AM
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If they want to take my 23 year old oil burning OB, they had better take my guns away first!
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