Took delivery of my 89' s4
10-07-2008, 09:31 PM
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Took delivery of my 89' s4
Wow what a long day with this thing ,the car was full of tar,caked in the wheel wells and even all the way under where the body curves under the car,and all over the door pannels, from the tires spraying it.I spent 5 hours and went through 8 towels all where solid black.I washed car,in garage because it started pouring rain out here,so i couldnt get any outside photo shots.Found option codes in trunk i dont know what option 935 or 980 is ,but here are the codes c02?,018,139,158,220,340,418,513,570,586,650,935,980 car is ok for 5000.00 it has 107k but rite off the bat theirs something going on,car runs,theirs no warning lights but its just slow,when you hit it,it takes a while to get up to speed,lets say its *******,feels like 200 horse,i hope its not serious.Heres a link to photos thanks for any input i really need some help and advise thanks george http://www.flickr.com/photos/26227918@N05/
10-07-2008, 09:48 PM
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From what I can see, it doesn't look to bad.
10-07-2008, 09:48 PM
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Once the car is completely warmed up, if you turn it off and go to restart it, does it turn over normally or a little slow?
10-07-2008, 09:56 PM
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Could be any number of things responsible for lack of power.
First, in an 89 you need to pull the transmission down to "2" to get a 1st gear start. Try that. When you want it to go into 2nd, move the shifter briefly to "3" than back to "2". Then to "3" when you want 3rd and "D" for 4th. There are other ways to get 1st gear starts, but that's the way I do it - rowing the shifter like a stick.
If it feels lazy regardless of gear, then you're into a mechanical evaluation. Start with a compression and leakdown test.
If it's missing or running a bit rough too, then look at plugs/plug wires/distributor caps & rotors. Also, if it gets worse after running for a minute, pull up the carpet that is over the CE panel and look down near the EZK brain mounted on the outer compartment wall. There is a clear relay box mounted near the EZK that has LEDs that will glow either red or green if there is a suspected problem with the ignition system. If you see this glowing while the car is running, you are only running on 4 cylinders.
With any later MY 928 automatic, the first thing I do is check the flexplate for any preload and check crank endplay. You probably don't have thrust bearing failure, but you never know. Usually there's a reason for a car being sold at a give-away price.
Did you have an inspection done on the car?
Oh, one last thing. I worked on a car recently that seemed pretty doggish. As part of a timing belt job, I checked the cam timing. It was way off. Adjusted the cam timing and the car woke right up!
First, in an 89 you need to pull the transmission down to "2" to get a 1st gear start. Try that. When you want it to go into 2nd, move the shifter briefly to "3" than back to "2". Then to "3" when you want 3rd and "D" for 4th. There are other ways to get 1st gear starts, but that's the way I do it - rowing the shifter like a stick.
If it feels lazy regardless of gear, then you're into a mechanical evaluation. Start with a compression and leakdown test.
If it's missing or running a bit rough too, then look at plugs/plug wires/distributor caps & rotors. Also, if it gets worse after running for a minute, pull up the carpet that is over the CE panel and look down near the EZK brain mounted on the outer compartment wall. There is a clear relay box mounted near the EZK that has LEDs that will glow either red or green if there is a suspected problem with the ignition system. If you see this glowing while the car is running, you are only running on 4 cylinders.
With any later MY 928 automatic, the first thing I do is check the flexplate for any preload and check crank endplay. You probably don't have thrust bearing failure, but you never know. Usually there's a reason for a car being sold at a give-away price.
Did you have an inspection done on the car?
Oh, one last thing. I worked on a car recently that seemed pretty doggish. As part of a timing belt job, I checked the cam timing. It was way off. Adjusted the cam timing and the car woke right up!
Last edited by Bill Ball; 10-08-2008 at 02:39 AM.
10-07-2008, 09:57 PM
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10-07-2008, 10:16 PM
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Wow bill thanks, ill check that after this debate on tv.Oh forgot to mention i unloaded a garbage bag full of papers out of this car their was even a wedding invitation from 1995 lol.
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10-07-2008, 10:20 PM
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if you have not already done so by reading the FAQ at the top of the page most if not all of your questions will be answered. I recommend that you do this, as it will save you time while trying to get your new ride sorted out, plus it will give you info that you wont find unless you ask and you wont know what to ask unless you know whats going on.
Goodluck with the new purchase, a quick thing you can do is check the oil for metallic particles, pull the dipstick out and drip some of the oil onto a black piece of cardboard go out into the sun and look for metal it will be obvious, OTOH if the oil looks silvery then it indicates possible thrust bearing failure, if its milky then its coolant leaking into the oil either a head gasket or a bad radiator side tank
Goodluck with the new purchase, a quick thing you can do is check the oil for metallic particles, pull the dipstick out and drip some of the oil onto a black piece of cardboard go out into the sun and look for metal it will be obvious, OTOH if the oil looks silvery then it indicates possible thrust bearing failure, if its milky then its coolant leaking into the oil either a head gasket or a bad radiator side tank
10-07-2008, 10:20 PM
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10-07-2008, 10:36 PM
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http://members.rennlist.com/v1uhoh/9...earticleTH.pdf
http://members.rennlist.com/captearlg/tbfmiscramb.html
http://members.rennlist.com/v1uhoh/cranksha.htm
10-07-2008, 10:43 PM
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Get the car in a completely dark place, start it up and look under the hood. Any arcing along the plug wires? That's a common point of neglect since they are $$$.
10-07-2008, 11:05 PM
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I wouldn't jump to conclusions. Your probably fine but knowing of that design flaw will save you $$$ in the long run. I didn't mean to scare you but you should be afraid of the TBF.
I will say this of the TBF car I have...It never ran for me but I did try to start it after I picked it up. You could feel the crankshaft grinding against the block as the starter turned...It was very noticeable.
I will say this of the TBF car I have...It never ran for me but I did try to start it after I picked it up. You could feel the crankshaft grinding against the block as the starter turned...It was very noticeable.
10-07-2008, 11:25 PM
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I did not notice green or red led lights anywhere in the fuse panel area.Ill have to take it to midwest eurosport tomrw.It drove fine for the 8 miles home, then sat a hour then drove 8 more miles, wouldnt i hear grinding?Would tb falure allow car to run for awhile like this?
10-07-2008, 11:51 PM
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Hopefully others will chime in as I have no experience will a running TBF candidate. I have read that a cold TBF victim will start better and run OK until she gets warmed up. One symptom of TBF is hard starting after she is at operating temperature. If she was mine I would release that clamp sooner than later.
This is one "thing to do" in the pile of necessary 928 maintenance to keep her running. The timing belt, tensioner, associated rollers and water pump are equally critical. The list goes on which is why people neglect these cars.
Don't be intimidated...YOU can accomplish all of this...with the help of this forum. The best $17-$18 I ever spent was on a Rennlist membership. With guidance from much smarter people than me I completely rebuilt my 951 engine and tackled the entire 928 engine removal, refresh and install with their direction.
Disclaimer: I am not John D's brother-in-law, although he's welcome in my home
, or have any financial interest or benefit with the new managers of this site. Access to this site probably saved me thousands...NO ****!
Just my thoughts to a new 928 owner...and welcome! I like your photos on Flickr.
This is one "thing to do" in the pile of necessary 928 maintenance to keep her running. The timing belt, tensioner, associated rollers and water pump are equally critical. The list goes on which is why people neglect these cars.
Don't be intimidated...YOU can accomplish all of this...with the help of this forum. The best $17-$18 I ever spent was on a Rennlist membership. With guidance from much smarter people than me I completely rebuilt my 951 engine and tackled the entire 928 engine removal, refresh and install with their direction.
Disclaimer: I am not John D's brother-in-law, although he's welcome in my home
, or have any financial interest or benefit with the new managers of this site. Access to this site probably saved me thousands...NO ****!Just my thoughts to a new 928 owner...and welcome! I like your photos on Flickr.