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Old 08-09-2008, 03:02 PM
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Saving up for some good new rears as well. Right now I'm driving on "slicks" due to such thin tread depth. I tend to only drive the 928 on sunny days but I know the car would be a handful in the wet.

I was told by some fellow P-car owners that it is a good bet to check tire rack in the late fall for "closeout deals" on summer tires. Anyone else done this? or should I just replace them now? Tires still seem to work fine and I am not planning any long trips. Forturnately I seem to have a decent alignment as the wear is equal across the tread.
Old 08-09-2008, 03:47 PM
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There are so many very decent tires under $100 each over here, even with the US dollar not worth much any more, that I'm still having a hard time understanding how this story happened. Is there something weird about tire prices in Europe?

For example, Tirerack has Sumitomo HTR Z for $65 each front and $73 each rear. Perfectly serviceable tire for your purposes. Fuzion ZRi are under $100 per wheel.

I used Yokohama ES100 tires for several years. Under $100 for front and just over $100 for rear. Very decent tires. Many people use Kumho and Falken tires that are even cheaper and are perfectly safe and decent performing tires even for aggressive street driving. I now use BF Goodrich KDW-2's which were about $600 total installed. Sure Michelin Pilot Sports are over $200 a wheel, and they perform even better, but for most of us, these other lesser expensive tires are way more than adequate.
Old 08-09-2008, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
I used Yokohama ES100 tires for several years. Under $100 for front and just over $100 for rear. Very decent tires. Many people use Kumho and Falken tires that are even cheaper and are perfectly safe and decent performing tires even for aggressive street driving. I now use BF Goodrich KDW-2's which were about $600 total installed.

I don't know if I'd try Yoko ES100's.
I hear they smoke too much.


Do rear tires last the month at the Bill Ball household?
Old 08-09-2008, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
There are so many very decent tires under $100 each over here, even with the US dollar not worth much any more, that I'm still having a hard time understanding how this story happened. Is there something weird about tire prices in Europe?
In general, prices here for US-made products don't drop when the dollar slumps. Of course when the dollar goes up, then the prices are also raised. Consumers are still getting fooled.

If you buy tires in Germany on the net, prices are about:

Originally Posted by Bill Ball
I used Yokohama ES100 tires for several years. Under $100 for front and just over $100 for rear.
160 Euro front, 185 Euro rear

Originally Posted by Bill Ball
Many people use Kumho and Falken tires that are even cheaper
100 Euro front, 150 Euro rear

Originally Posted by Bill Ball
I now use BF Goodrich KDW-2's which were about $600 total installed.
150 Euro front, 160 Euro rear

Originally Posted by Bill Ball
Sure Michelin Pilot Sports are over $200 a wheel, and they perform even better, but for most of us, these other lesser expensive tires are way more than adequate.
200 Euro front and rear

My trusted ContiSportContacts go for about 130 Euro front, 210 Euro rear.

The most expensive ones are Goodyear, Bridgestone, Dunlops, Michelin and Pirelli, for about 240 Euro front and 250 Euro rear.

Mind you that is without installing. I figure at the shop you would pay 30% more easily.

But then again..if you do a lot of high speed driving, your and your families safety is worth something.
Old 08-09-2008, 08:17 PM
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The Italian version of MyTyres are listing Toyo Proxes T1-R for €138 each delivered but without fitting. If I could have had them fitted for €12 each (which is what I pay in the UK) then this would have cost €300 rather than €500, which would have been perfectly acceptable. However my experience with MyTyres in the past was that they lost my consignment and the replacement took two weeks to arrive. This was obviously not an option in this situation, but it does show that it is possible to purchase tyres at a reasonable cost in Italy, which was not the story I was being told by the Italian retailers.
Old 08-09-2008, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by UKKid35
The Italian version of MyTyres are listing Toyo Proxes T1-R for €138 each delivered but without fitting. If I could have had them fitted for €12 each (which is what I pay in the UK) then this would have cost €300 rather than €500, which would have been perfectly acceptable.
That's just about what I paid for the same Toyos last year here in the U.S., $179/ea for 245/45/16 (given that the dollar was stronger a year ago). That fitment is getting difficult to find, not many choices. I should have paid a little more and got Potenza...while it's hard to compare a year later, I know that when I first got the Toyos, I missed the RE-730's somehow...
Old 08-09-2008, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Aryan
In general, prices here for US-made products don't drop when the dollar slumps. Of course when the dollar goes up, then the prices are also raised. Consumers are still getting fooled.
Only my BFG tires are a US brand and they are probably not made in the US. Still, decent Z-rated Japanese and Chinese tires under $100US are common.

If you buy tires in Germany on the net, prices are about:

160 Euro front, 185 Euro rear
100 Euro front, 150 Euro rear
150 Euro front, 160 Euro rear
Since a Euro is $1.5US dollars, somebody must be taxing the heck out of tires in Germany. Must be like the gas situation. Prices in the US are nowhere near European prices.

Mind you that is without installing. I figure at the shop you would pay 30% more easily.
Shops here charge a fixed rate per wheel and most will match internet prtices or install your internet tires - usually between $20 and $30US per wheel.
Old 08-09-2008, 09:24 PM
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I met up with Paul awhile ago and his tires that he had werent all that bad, lots of tread left. But I personally wont buy used tires. Not with how I drive anyways.

I would rather pay the extra dimes to have new tires on. Even if they dont last a year!



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