Ron_H

A motion to stay execution of sentence pending appeal should have been filed with a notice of appeal, which should be filed immediately following a lower court finding, and the motion was omitted. Of course I didn't know this and similar circumstances have existed in this and other cases without incident. No big deal. But living in the shadows under the bridge down by the river does has its shortcomings and compromises with one's quality of life. Can't come out except at night. Have to make it a point to be dating a bail bondsman's daughter. Must quickly grow a beard. Start speaking another language.

3000teeth

These 2 points would be the only 2 on my record in the last 9 years, so I'm crossing my fingers, but not counting on my insurance company not finding out.

Any idea what kind of bump I should expect to see in the cost of my insurance? And, any idea how long will it take for the points to disappear?

I'm guessing that a lawyer fighting this case would have cost me a good $2k, plus a bunch of time, so if I lose another $1500 through the insurance hike, I think I still won out with the lesser of two evils --unless, of course, I get busted again.

Ron_H

My refund after winning two cases, one on appeal, after three years was over $2300 if I remember correctly. I don't look at it the way you do. I would rather spend money/time on the legal remedy and, if necessary, to pay for legal advice or do my own research, than to give money to those robin hoods or the insurance banditos. I would almost rather flush it down the toilet than to pay those scum. One of my cases took considerable amounts of time preparing my own case in lower court and setting the court up for error, thus setting up the appeal. The appellate brief was written by someone else (not an attorney) and the DA totally agreed with it !!!!! The other case was a hard fight for a few days but I prevailed on legal issues with the speed issues not ever being allowed. (the only way IMO to win). Cost of preparation: lots of time and some money; satisfaction of winning agaisnt a tyrranical bunch of
airheads: priceless. Other cases I've won have required less work and one we lost in Oregon once was simply our own fault for not timely responding to an appeal issue. Cost of shooting oneself in the foot: pissed me off, 'cause I had those buggers, but it was out of state which requires some dexterity.

To summarize: pay an attorney/incur some personal sacrifice versus pay those crud in your insurance company. And then as trite as it sounds, it IS the principle. If you don't do it, who will? Someone overthrew the NMSL. I know who he is. I am thankful someone did. Now let's keep it going.

3000teeth

Cost to taxpayers: Priceless!

Ron_H

In the end, it is us, the people, and the taxpayers who must judge the merits of a system that exploits us and serves vested interests to the detriment of the general public, particularly one that is illegally, and immorally administered.
Sort of like the Brits who have decided they no longer have the right of self defense. ****. What a crock. If we let stuff like that happen, why not just
live with the lemmings and jump off the nearest cliff? Tell the King to stuff his tea. We don't need any stinkin' tea around here !! Drink it yourself. Or stuff it.

3000teeth

You might want to stop buying gas then, too, eh?

Ron_H

I once did exactly that, for ten freaking years. I lived in the city. I walked alot. I took the bus. I got in lots of fights. I wouldn't walk on grass but only on the sidewalk because things live in the grass. I had lots of empathy for Jains. I have become a bit milder and more compromising now. I still have empathy for Jains, but I don't sweep the street before I walk on it. I am also an ethical vegan but sit on leather seats in my Porsche (today). Alternative fuels are being and ultimately will be developed if we as a species survive which is not guaranteed. Not overnight, but they will be developed. The petroleum business is a finite entity and I'm not too worried about it. The situation will resolve itself. I am worried far more about a few other threats to our survival than petroleum. One of them is my survival on the roads of this country. And I don't have to search very hard to find examples of compromises we make to our moral preferences. Take my word for it. Sitting around searching for such compromises would render us ineffective, guilt ridden animals able to survive only on charity. Like some of the parasites who survive off of the traffic "industry". Parasites we can all play a part in eliminating if we simply question their validity in this world.

Ron_H

Warrant was a false alarm. It was recalled the same day. Whew!! I can shave, bathe, and walk in daylight just like other people.

blown 87

Great.

rjm65

Great thread!

If you don't smoke the tires, or make them squeal, and keep speed below the posted speed limit, is full throttle acceleration considered exhibition of speed?

Light turns green, pull away normally and as soon as you cross the intersection gun it until you hit the posted speed then level off and maintain........ illegal?

dr bob

There are more than a few "in the opinion of the officer" offenses that you might get pegged with. It's your word against his whether you broke traction. He says he heard a chirp as you went over the crosswalk lines, and it's your word against his. Was theer another car next to you? Participation in a speed contest? Reckless driving or careless driving have always fan favorites too. Officer thinks you were unsafe, and he/she is a much better judge of that than you are in the eyes of most courts.

Me, I just lay low. I've spent too many days in front of too many judges in my previous Lotus-as-a-daily-driver life. I promised myself that the 928 would be a GT for me, with no adders that would tempt me to drive it "too fast". Handling adders will be OK, but no blowers, boosters, turbos, strokers, headwork, nitrous, etc. I'm getting too old for regular appearances in traffic court anyway.

Ron_H

Although I haven't lived too long on this Planet, in the short time I have spent here several discoveries have been made by me. One is that there are some kinds of people who can't stand anything non-uniform. Anything not just like everything else is an irritant to their eyes. They seek to stomp it out. That includes anyone or thing that might appear to be more effective, more efficient, faster, shinier, brighter, etc, than the next guy or his ability and these people seek to eliminate the anamoly and end the jealousy. Uniformity. That is the way to them. All the same. Russia tried it with the Fiat 124. Everyone had one. No one was "special". Stomp them out.

As Dr. Bob said, I also do not want a blinged out ride, or loud exhaust, or spinning tires (sorry Bill. each to his own), or darkened windows, or RED paint. I don't want anyone wondering "What's in that car?" "Who does that guy think he is, anyway?? " An individual?" (that's if they could spell the word individual) I have done all that stuff back in high school and later as an undergraduate. Chebbie with loud exhaust and bling and pinstripes and ....etc.,
and lots of tickets. Why draw unnecessary attention to myself? Do I need people to think I'm "cool"? Naw, I already know it.

The 928 came out. I spied it and thought to myself: "What is with all these banker's colors and conservative finishes?" It appeared as if I would need a three piece blue suit with a red tie to drive one. I had a 911. Now that was cool enough, but a 928? How bland. Well now I understand. I love my 928 just for that reason. Quiet. Simple and elegant. Just enough honest rawness but not too visible; purely subtle and softly stated. Hey, why draw so much attention to myself?? Can you tell I love my 928?? And I love loud, noisy, tire smoking Mustangs too, 'cause I know the bears will spot them a mile away while not even noticing my 928.

IcemanG17

Hmm...... Pay the blood sucking lawyers or the scum of the earth insurance companies...... Loose-Loose in my mind.....

But look at the good side....chances are the cop that wrote you that ticket is getting paid OVERTIME every time you take him to court....which is why most actually WANT to show up....:>) I've seen some cops get pissed when 2 of their cases were heard on the same day....since its twice as much OT on consecutive days!!

Ron_H

I have experienced with trials with officers who were no longer employed by the department for over a year and living in another county show up in court to testify because they either have nothing better to do or they have some sense that it is the right thing to do. Never assume they will not show. Never count on that. Count on them showing and then ..........well, wait a minute here.......just count on 'em showing and being available to testify. Not that they WILL ever get to testify, but that they will be there to do so. Look elsewhere for remedy.
Also remember that if you think you have ever met a pathological liar, be prepared for a multiple of ten of that in court. I have even dealt with a cop who offered to go to court and not identify me despite having just issued me a citation. And he did just that; said that he couldn't recognize me in court and walked out as he winked at me. Now that was a switch.

dcmelik

Ron_H: Since you practice law out in sunny CA, what is the statute, if any, that makes illegal the reckless use of an automobile? Local ordinances that make sound and fury from an automobile a law violation?

I do not proxy speed for recklessness but instead argue loss of control is potentially reckless. There are those who consider smoking tires to be a loss of control. From what I have gleaned from self-described amateur race drivers and car nuts, smoking your tires means that you don't know the point at which your car completely loses traction. you exceed it. From a dead stop, most consider smoking your tires the act of an over-eager beginner. As a result, two of your four tires are no longer making meaningful contact with the asphalt. On the track, doesn't this result in tail out behavior in motion? Doesn't this confound the weight bias problem we despise in 911s?

In my view, smoking one's tires is a mark of failure, not a badge of honor. In any case, if accompanied with sound and fury, there are surely local noise ordinances that police officers may be able to conjure to cite you.

Just pay the ticket and move on. If nothing else, 3000teeth has admitted here that he poured on the coals. What price spring fever?