SCCA ITE-POC-PCA rules (for build_
01-21-2008, 12:56 AM
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SCCA ITE-POC-PCA rules (for build_
Okay I tried to find the safety requirements for POC and SCCA ITE class, regarding building a race 928.....I really couldn't find anything.....other than little briefs that state, 1 piece race seat, harness, full cage etc.....but it doesn't go into details about what is needed....i.e how many point cage, fuel cell?, fire system, battery cut off switch etc.......
Basically what I'm looking for is a guidebook to help determine the best way to build a track shark that will pass tech for SCCA, PCA-POC and maybe ORR....
I heard all kinds of rumors about what is legal and what isn't.....like you can't use a non-Porsche tranny...or non stock gear ratios....etc....there has to be a link out there???
Help
Basically what I'm looking for is a guidebook to help determine the best way to build a track shark that will pass tech for SCCA, PCA-POC and maybe ORR....
I heard all kinds of rumors about what is legal and what isn't.....like you can't use a non-Porsche tranny...or non stock gear ratios....etc....there has to be a link out there???
Help
01-21-2008, 01:01 AM
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I thought the SCCA guidelines book at SCCA.org was pretty comprehensive... Details are in there...just need to dig...(or search in the pdf file)..
Good luck,
Tom
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Good luck,
Tom
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01-21-2008, 07:08 AM
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Download the GCR from SCCA, it will be a big .pdf file.
It wont have anything about ITE which is only used in some west coast regions. For that you'll have to get the GCR from your region. If that sounds disjointed it's because it is. Another good rulebook to follow during a build is NASA, it's at the forefront of changing safety equipment.
About ITE. It sounds too good to be true that they let cars built to the lighter safety requirements of IT but with unlimited engines. I don't know how long that will last in the regions that have it. It might be a good idea to build to the Super Unlimited specs that the rest of us have to follow. The key differences are Fuel Cells and cage tubing extending to the footwells. Whatever you do make sure to have 2 door bars, that will be a universal requirement soon.
I don't know anything about PCA and don't feel drawn to it. If I were to pick one rulebook to follow during a build it would be NASA.
It wont have anything about ITE which is only used in some west coast regions. For that you'll have to get the GCR from your region. If that sounds disjointed it's because it is. Another good rulebook to follow during a build is NASA, it's at the forefront of changing safety equipment.
About ITE. It sounds too good to be true that they let cars built to the lighter safety requirements of IT but with unlimited engines. I don't know how long that will last in the regions that have it. It might be a good idea to build to the Super Unlimited specs that the rest of us have to follow. The key differences are Fuel Cells and cage tubing extending to the footwells. Whatever you do make sure to have 2 door bars, that will be a universal requirement soon.
I don't know anything about PCA and don't feel drawn to it. If I were to pick one rulebook to follow during a build it would be NASA.
01-21-2008, 03:55 PM
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Yes, ITE follows the IT safety specs. As mike mentioned, two door bars on each side min, and they are even following the IT spec of factory door bars being required , but i dont use them, nor to many of the IT guys.
cage specs are the normal .095 and 1.75" diameter DOM
They also want things like fuel sampling ports, but all the ones ive tried leak and i dont want to take the chance, so i talk my way out of it during my annual check.
The usual electrical cut off, belts need to be only 2 years old, unless FIA cert, and no time limit on window net, (like PRC has the 5 year limit for some reason)
I dont think the ITE with IT specs is too light. many times in unlimited, the extra bars up front make up for some of the chassis that is missing from those types of cars (tube frame and highly modified street chassis) the only real difference is that there is no fuel cell compared to the super unlimited spec. remember, speed GT world challenge had this same type of spec for years. in fact, a stock cup car with out a fuel cell can still run. (the 928 has the same type of plastic fuel tank surrounded by the chassis frame, that they deem safe )
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cage specs are the normal .095 and 1.75" diameter DOM
They also want things like fuel sampling ports, but all the ones ive tried leak and i dont want to take the chance, so i talk my way out of it during my annual check.
The usual electrical cut off, belts need to be only 2 years old, unless FIA cert, and no time limit on window net, (like PRC has the 5 year limit for some reason)
I dont think the ITE with IT specs is too light. many times in unlimited, the extra bars up front make up for some of the chassis that is missing from those types of cars (tube frame and highly modified street chassis) the only real difference is that there is no fuel cell compared to the super unlimited spec. remember, speed GT world challenge had this same type of spec for years. in fact, a stock cup car with out a fuel cell can still run. (the 928 has the same type of plastic fuel tank surrounded by the chassis frame, that they deem safe )
mk
Mk
Download the GCR from SCCA, it will be a big .pdf file.
It wont have anything about ITE which is only used in some west coast regions. For that you'll have to get the GCR from your region. If that sounds disjointed it's because it is. Another good rulebook to follow during a build is NASA, it's at the forefront of changing safety equipment.
About ITE. It sounds too good to be true that they let cars built to the lighter safety requirements of IT but with unlimited engines. I don't know how long that will last in the regions that have it. It might be a good idea to build to the Super Unlimited specs that the rest of us have to follow. The key differences are Fuel Cells and cage tubing extending to the footwells. Whatever you do make sure to have 2 door bars, that will be a universal requirement soon.
I don't know anything about PCA and don't feel drawn to it. If I were to pick one rulebook to follow during a build it would be NASA.
It wont have anything about ITE which is only used in some west coast regions. For that you'll have to get the GCR from your region. If that sounds disjointed it's because it is. Another good rulebook to follow during a build is NASA, it's at the forefront of changing safety equipment.
About ITE. It sounds too good to be true that they let cars built to the lighter safety requirements of IT but with unlimited engines. I don't know how long that will last in the regions that have it. It might be a good idea to build to the Super Unlimited specs that the rest of us have to follow. The key differences are Fuel Cells and cage tubing extending to the footwells. Whatever you do make sure to have 2 door bars, that will be a universal requirement soon.
I don't know anything about PCA and don't feel drawn to it. If I were to pick one rulebook to follow during a build it would be NASA.
01-21-2008, 04:32 PM
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With the exception of PCA's pathetic rollbar/cage rules, you can usually run a car certified as safe in one group in any group. There are cars with FIA/Grand Am certified cages that would never pass NASA/SCCA tech that are allowed to run. Belt, h&n, seat, and halo/net rules are less transferable. ie: you can use an Isaac in SCCA but not in Nasa. In NASA, you can only run 2" shoulder belts if you are wearing a HANS.
In case of changes, it's always best to go with the most advanced rule set which is probably NASA right now as Mike said. Too bad their h&n and right side net rules suck.
In case of changes, it's always best to go with the most advanced rule set which is probably NASA right now as Mike said. Too bad their h&n and right side net rules suck.
01-21-2008, 05:11 PM
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In the 2008 SCCA GCR
Pages 73-105 cover the general safety equipment and car prep.
Page 155-174 Cover Roll Cage stuff in detail.
Do not expect to run a car that is legal in NASA in SCCA and vice versa. The cage must be legal for both if you plan on running both. There have been cases where cages have needed to be modified to meet the standards of the orgnization before the car has seen the track because the builder thought that SCCA had the same rules as NASA. FIA/Grandam cages are the occasional exception.
Pages 73-105 cover the general safety equipment and car prep.
Page 155-174 Cover Roll Cage stuff in detail.
Do not expect to run a car that is legal in NASA in SCCA and vice versa. The cage must be legal for both if you plan on running both. There have been cases where cages have needed to be modified to meet the standards of the orgnization before the car has seen the track because the builder thought that SCCA had the same rules as NASA. FIA/Grandam cages are the occasional exception.
01-21-2008, 05:43 PM
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If you are talking ITE, PCA, PRC, etc, then usually the cars will be able to run either. anderson did run into a cage diameter issue, as he has a DOM 1.5" tube cage, due to the PCA rule that 1.5" is ok for 2500lb cars.
In Nasa, if we are talking a porsche or ITE car, you are probably running in PRC or GTS challenge for NASA. the only gotchas i can find are thinks like window net, and nasa might have a passenger side net requirement now, and ITE doesnt. (neither have a HANs requirement, either, yet)
The best advice is to look over the rule books from the sanctioning bodies to see what the differences are for the class you will run. I got the 2008 book in front of me. its about 1.5" thick, 1000pages, but for ITE, which is really IT as far as saftey, its only a few pages.
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In Nasa, if we are talking a porsche or ITE car, you are probably running in PRC or GTS challenge for NASA. the only gotchas i can find are thinks like window net, and nasa might have a passenger side net requirement now, and ITE doesnt. (neither have a HANs requirement, either, yet)
The best advice is to look over the rule books from the sanctioning bodies to see what the differences are for the class you will run. I got the 2008 book in front of me. its about 1.5" thick, 1000pages, but for ITE, which is really IT as far as saftey, its only a few pages.
mk
mk
In the 2008 SCCA GCR
Pages 73-105 cover the general safety equipment and car prep.
Page 155-174 Cover Roll Cage stuff in detail.
Do not expect to run a car that is legal in NASA in SCCA and vice versa. The cage must be legal for both if you plan on running both. There have been cases where cages have needed to be modified to meet the standards of the orgnization before the car has seen the track because the builder thought that SCCA had the same rules as NASA. FIA/Grandam cages are the occasional exception.
Pages 73-105 cover the general safety equipment and car prep.
Page 155-174 Cover Roll Cage stuff in detail.
Do not expect to run a car that is legal in NASA in SCCA and vice versa. The cage must be legal for both if you plan on running both. There have been cases where cages have needed to be modified to meet the standards of the orgnization before the car has seen the track because the builder thought that SCCA had the same rules as NASA. FIA/Grandam cages are the occasional exception.
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01-21-2008, 05:53 PM
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NASA requires only a driver side window net but mandatory is a right side "head restraint". That can be a seat with a bolster, a net or other product.
BTW, I wouldn't trust a seat with a "bolster" unless it was tied into the cage like NASCAR.
BTW, I wouldn't trust a seat with a "bolster" unless it was tied into the cage like NASCAR.
01-21-2008, 05:59 PM
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Great responses!!
I will take a more in depth look at SCCA & NASA's rulebooks later today! I know the ORR rules are fairly strict too....the cages some of those cars have is really well built.....like Tim and Georges 928's.....
Mk is there a link to the online SCCA rulebook?
I will take a more in depth look at SCCA & NASA's rulebooks later today! I know the ORR rules are fairly strict too....the cages some of those cars have is really well built.....like Tim and Georges 928's.....
Mk is there a link to the online SCCA rulebook?
01-21-2008, 06:06 PM
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http://www.sfrscca.org/content/section/4/26/
that will get you to the nor cal region rule book and the main SCCA site has the big 2008 rule book
Here it is. The MAIN rule book
http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=44
Mk
that will get you to the nor cal region rule book and the main SCCA site has the big 2008 rule book
Here it is. The MAIN rule book
http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=44
Mk
Great responses!!
I will take a more in depth look at SCCA & NASA's rulebooks later today! I know the ORR rules are fairly strict too....the cages some of those cars have is really well built.....like Tim and Georges 928's.....
Mk is there a link to the online SCCA rulebook?
I will take a more in depth look at SCCA & NASA's rulebooks later today! I know the ORR rules are fairly strict too....the cages some of those cars have is really well built.....like Tim and Georges 928's.....
Mk is there a link to the online SCCA rulebook?
01-21-2008, 07:52 PM
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Thanks I'll take a look.....my goal is to get the car this year & start building it out.....hopefully get it on the track with you guys by 2009!
Thanks I'll take a look.....my goal is to get the car this year & start building it out.....hopefully get it on the track with you guys by 2009!
01-21-2008, 08:21 PM
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I think NASA has stricter main hoop and tubing thickness rules than SCCA. Maybe I'm thinking of PCA. The only rulebook I've read carefully is NASA.
01-21-2008, 08:49 PM
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okay I just reviewed the SCCA book......seems pretty straightforward....which I'm sure it won't be!!
1.75 tubing, with 6 or 8 mounting points and 1 cross bar on main hoop, 2 door bars, 1 piece race seat, 5-6-7 point harness, goofy driver-passenger net recommended (not required), kill switch by windshield, 2 tow eyes, drivers side window net, fuel cell recommended (not required)... Fire system recommended, (not required)..quick release fire extingusher is okay,
1.75 tubing, with 6 or 8 mounting points and 1 cross bar on main hoop, 2 door bars, 1 piece race seat, 5-6-7 point harness, goofy driver-passenger net recommended (not required), kill switch by windshield, 2 tow eyes, drivers side window net, fuel cell recommended (not required)... Fire system recommended, (not required)..quick release fire extingusher is okay,
