New SC Kit for the '85/86
#16
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Louie is building a cold air intake something like this for my SC'd GT.
It looks like the filter is being sucked on very hard right at the inlet, which makes sense. I am just wondering how much volume the left 1/2 (passenger side)of the filter really adds? I mean it can't hurt but is the left half really adding much usable volume? This is not a critique, just a question. That is very nice and the best intake option by far for the pre 928SP Twin Screw guys, if you offer it to them.
Jim
It looks like the filter is being sucked on very hard right at the inlet, which makes sense. I am just wondering how much volume the left 1/2 (passenger side)of the filter really adds? I mean it can't hurt but is the left half really adding much usable volume? This is not a critique, just a question. That is very nice and the best intake option by far for the pre 928SP Twin Screw guys, if you offer it to them.
Jim
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You'd be amazed how expensive that air filter cabinet has been to manufacture.
But, I was commited to it because I wanted a presentation piece with high curb appeal to top off our 928 supercharger kits.
Now that the prototyping is done, I am back at my sub-contractors to get them to sharpen their pencils in quantity. So, I do not know yet what the production cost will be for that part, but it'll be lower than what I paid!
Sure, I can offer it as an ala-carte item. Tass - I did figure that owners of my earlier kits would see it and go "I want that!" so I designed it in such a away that they could get it as an add-on to their SC kits. No problem, I can add it to your kit as soon as I know the $$ numbers.
As to PMotts question: I agree in the first 1000 miles, that filter medium too the far end really won't do much, you are right. But, after the filter directly in front of the air inlet gets dirty and more restrictive, the air flow is at least allowed to the side of that. The design is meant to increase service intervals for the air filter. Secondly - relative to curb-appeal, I also thought that if the filter was just in front of the inlet only, it would lack symmetry and not look as nice.
As to the following questions:
This is meant to be a Stage 1 kit. Easy install, very tame, very safe. Stock injectors, no fuel mapping needed, no EZK adjustments needed. We do retard the timing about 5 degrees for added safety. This kit is very low-tech and straight-forward, although the head unit itself is quite modern.
This is the first all-new centrifugal supercharger to be drawn-up from a blank sheet of paper engineered in over 20 years, the first centrifugal supercharger to adopt ceramic coated impeller from the Turbo industry, and the first supercharger to air-cool the bearings rather than hot oil cool them.
But, I was commited to it because I wanted a presentation piece with high curb appeal to top off our 928 supercharger kits.
Now that the prototyping is done, I am back at my sub-contractors to get them to sharpen their pencils in quantity. So, I do not know yet what the production cost will be for that part, but it'll be lower than what I paid!
Sure, I can offer it as an ala-carte item. Tass - I did figure that owners of my earlier kits would see it and go "I want that!" so I designed it in such a away that they could get it as an add-on to their SC kits. No problem, I can add it to your kit as soon as I know the $$ numbers.
As to PMotts question: I agree in the first 1000 miles, that filter medium too the far end really won't do much, you are right. But, after the filter directly in front of the air inlet gets dirty and more restrictive, the air flow is at least allowed to the side of that. The design is meant to increase service intervals for the air filter. Secondly - relative to curb-appeal, I also thought that if the filter was just in front of the inlet only, it would lack symmetry and not look as nice.
As to the following questions:
Any fuel mapping, work on LH or EZK chips? Did you use any knock detection, whether just indicator only or timing retardation? What are doing for fan, looks like only the front A/C fan.
This is the first all-new centrifugal supercharger to be drawn-up from a blank sheet of paper engineered in over 20 years, the first centrifugal supercharger to adopt ceramic coated impeller from the Turbo industry, and the first supercharger to air-cool the bearings rather than hot oil cool them.
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The size of an air filter has more to do with its service interval than its restriction. At the point that the air filter is at least the same size as the intake, it is no longer restrictive (other than the restriction caused by the filter media iteself, which I am not talking about in this post).
I could cover a 3" inlet with a 4" x 4" square of gauze and it would not be restrictive. But, it would need to be cleaned or replaced in a very short while.
The large air filter Porsche designed into the 928 was not based on what the engine needed. It was designed to meet the tune-up service interval they were wanted.
Other examples from automotive history: The Ferrari GT air filter, the Hemi Cuda air Filter, the Road Runner 440 ci air filter, the Olds 442 with dual 4Brl carbs, and a lot more. The air filters in these were less than 2" high (1.75" to be exact), and wrapped around the dual 4Brl carbs in a big oval. Restrictive? Not when they were clean. But they needed to BE cleaned often, because they were smallish, they got dirty fast.
I could cover a 3" inlet with a 4" x 4" square of gauze and it would not be restrictive. But, it would need to be cleaned or replaced in a very short while.
The large air filter Porsche designed into the 928 was not based on what the engine needed. It was designed to meet the tune-up service interval they were wanted.
Other examples from automotive history: The Ferrari GT air filter, the Hemi Cuda air Filter, the Road Runner 440 ci air filter, the Olds 442 with dual 4Brl carbs, and a lot more. The air filters in these were less than 2" high (1.75" to be exact), and wrapped around the dual 4Brl carbs in a big oval. Restrictive? Not when they were clean. But they needed to BE cleaned often, because they were smallish, they got dirty fast.
Last edited by Carl Fausett; 12-22-2007 at 08:55 PM.
#20
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The size of an air filter has more to do with its service interval than its restriction. At the point hat the air filter is at least the same size as the intake, it is no longer restrictive (other than the restriction caused by the filter media iteself, which I am not talking about in this post).
I could cover a 3" inlet with a 4" x 4" square of gauze and it would not be restrictive. But, it would need to be cleaned or replaced in a very short while.
The large air filter Porsche designed into the 928 was not based on what the engine needed. It was designed to meet the tune-up service interval they were wanted.
Other examples from automotive history: The Ferrari GT air filter, the Hemi Cuda air Filter, the Road Runner 440 ci air filter, the Olds 442 with dual 4Brl carbs, and a lot more. The air filters in these were less than 2" high (1.75" to be exact), and wrapped around the dual 4Brl carbs in a big oval. Restrictive? Not when they were clean. But they needed to BE cleaned often, because they were smallish, they got dirty fast.
I could cover a 3" inlet with a 4" x 4" square of gauze and it would not be restrictive. But, it would need to be cleaned or replaced in a very short while.
The large air filter Porsche designed into the 928 was not based on what the engine needed. It was designed to meet the tune-up service interval they were wanted.
Other examples from automotive history: The Ferrari GT air filter, the Hemi Cuda air Filter, the Road Runner 440 ci air filter, the Olds 442 with dual 4Brl carbs, and a lot more. The air filters in these were less than 2" high (1.75" to be exact), and wrapped around the dual 4Brl carbs in a big oval. Restrictive? Not when they were clean. But they needed to BE cleaned often, because they were smallish, they got dirty fast.
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Abby - we are taking orders for this kit as soon as : 1) I get documentable (dyno) results, and 2) I get the website corrected. Right now the kit for the 85/86 is too expensive and it shows a Powerdyne unit. We like this Raptor much better, and the Powerdyne kit for this year is being dropped.
If you want to see it, click here:
http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/32vstage1.php
What does this mean? I believe I will have those 2 things done and be taking orders for it in 3 weeks or less.
J-Kenzie - we have both a Stage 1 and a Stage 2 kit for the L-Jet 928 now. Many satisfied customers for it. If you want to see it, click here:
Stage 1 L-Jet kit: http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/stage1.php
Stage 2 L-Jet kit: http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/stage2.php
As always, thank you for your comments and your interest.
If you want to see it, click here:
http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/32vstage1.php
What does this mean? I believe I will have those 2 things done and be taking orders for it in 3 weeks or less.
J-Kenzie - we have both a Stage 1 and a Stage 2 kit for the L-Jet 928 now. Many satisfied customers for it. If you want to see it, click here:
Stage 1 L-Jet kit: http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/stage1.php
Stage 2 L-Jet kit: http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/stage2.php
As always, thank you for your comments and your interest.
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Carl:
suggestions for this awesome looking air filter box:
adjust the right upper blower support to allow a twin (Y) intake hose.
in other words, from the blower intake, utilize a Y (it may need to have an upward turn on the blower end) and then plumb the two intake pipes to your air box, similar to the factory upper radiator support "intakes". You could still use the air filter pictured, assuming it has enough square inches area for sufficient flow to the blower's needs, except you would now have two inlets from the air box.
It very difficult for me to see (in your pictures) the clearances involved (upper blower support/upper radiator hose), but if there is enough room to do this I believe you would create less restriction to the blower and it would be more visually balanced.
??????
A great product from Carl.......again!
(Geeez, I want one of those for my hybrid.....)
--Russ
suggestions for this awesome looking air filter box:
adjust the right upper blower support to allow a twin (Y) intake hose.
in other words, from the blower intake, utilize a Y (it may need to have an upward turn on the blower end) and then plumb the two intake pipes to your air box, similar to the factory upper radiator support "intakes". You could still use the air filter pictured, assuming it has enough square inches area for sufficient flow to the blower's needs, except you would now have two inlets from the air box.
It very difficult for me to see (in your pictures) the clearances involved (upper blower support/upper radiator hose), but if there is enough room to do this I believe you would create less restriction to the blower and it would be more visually balanced.
??????
A great product from Carl.......again!
(Geeez, I want one of those for my hybrid.....)
--Russ
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This kit is all Carl's. He developed it from the ground up and congrats to him for doing so. Putting together a complete aftermarket performance kit such as this is not an easy task and anyone who has ever attempted to do so knows exactly what I mean.
Good job Carl and Merry Christmas to all of you!
Good job Carl and Merry Christmas to all of you!
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Thank you, Tim.
Russ - boy - did we ever try a dual-air intake for the 928 to our air filter assembly. Worked at it hard for a long time. There is just too much going on there to get it in... the upper radiator hose on the right side, the thermostat casting at the rear and left sides, the throttle cable assembly left side (85/86), and the supercharger outlet tubing itself.
The twin tube intake became so small to make it fit it was restrictive and I abandoned it for the large single tube - uncompromised, and a solid 3.0" all the may through. Form followed function on this air intake design.
Russ - boy - did we ever try a dual-air intake for the 928 to our air filter assembly. Worked at it hard for a long time. There is just too much going on there to get it in... the upper radiator hose on the right side, the thermostat casting at the rear and left sides, the throttle cable assembly left side (85/86), and the supercharger outlet tubing itself.
The twin tube intake became so small to make it fit it was restrictive and I abandoned it for the large single tube - uncompromised, and a solid 3.0" all the may through. Form followed function on this air intake design.
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For the balanced look, you can put in a falsie. Except for, what I am guessing is a blow off valve near the driver side-back of the engine, you can easily run another line that does nothing but balance the look.
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