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08-12-2002, 01:28 PM
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Home Lifts
I posted this on the email list - and looked thru the archives here with no references found.
So....
Anyone here have a home lift installed in their garage? We're in the planning stages for a new house and this would be a great item to have IMHO.
If you do have one - how do you like it? Options?
Anyone?
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So....
Anyone here have a home lift installed in their garage? We're in the planning stages for a new house and this would be a great item to have IMHO.
If you do have one - how do you like it? Options?
Anyone?
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08-12-2002, 02:34 PM
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<a href="http://www.kondratyev.com/porsche/lifts.htm" target="_blank">http://www.kondratyev.com/porsche/lifts.htm</a>
that should about sum them up!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
that should about sum them up!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
08-12-2002, 02:35 PM
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<a href="http://www.kwiklift.com/features.htm" target="_blank">http://www.kwiklift.com/features.htm</a>
BTW..thats the one i mentioned in my email to you. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
BTW..thats the one i mentioned in my email to you. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
08-12-2002, 03:10 PM
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Northern has a good selection of lifts for varied prices.
<a href="http://www.northerntool.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=297068&cgmenbr=6970&PHOTOS=on" target="_blank">http://www.northerntool.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=297068&cgmenbr=6970&PHOTOS=on</a>
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08-13-2002, 08:49 AM
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I would entertain the thought of a pit for more than a few milliseconds if it weren't for the fact that the building site is literally on solid rock.That being said, the foundation will be no doubt ultra solid - and cost prohibitive for any excavation (the neighbors spent over $20K in jack hammer work to fit their lot to their house plans)
I would entertain the thought of a pit for more than a few milliseconds if it weren't for the fact that the building site is literally on solid rock.That being said, the foundation will be no doubt ultra solid - and cost prohibitive for any excavation (the neighbors spent over $20K in jack hammer work to fit their lot to their house plans)
08-13-2002, 01:33 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by SL8GT:
<strong>Jay,
Since you're in the planning stages, how about putting a pit in one of your garage bays?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The pit is a logistical problem and won't be allowed under most building codes anyway.
Problems:
-- Folks fall into them, so they need covers when not in use. Covers have to be strong enough to drive on, low enough to not trip on, etc.
-- Water falls into them, so they need a sump and a drain system or pump to keep them empty and dry.
-- Oil and other nasty car fluids end up in them, and those can't be allowed to fall into drain systems. So we end up with oily water separators and the like, and sumps that are wet all the time so they do some separating.
-- Exhaust fumes sink, so we end up with a pit full of noxious or even poisonous gas to walk down into.
After investigating some lifts for my new garage addition, I find that they typically require a 12ft ceiling where the top bar goes across. If you are only working on the 928 and other "short" cars, you can have a slight slope down from the center peak to the ends. If you have an SUV or something that has a longer/taller roofline, you will be limited in how your ceiling profile can be configured.
Similarly, you will need about 12ft of width to get the lift installed. The cars are maybe six feet wide, but the lifts are still 12ft outside width, That gives you about two feet on each side to open the door to get out of the car after you drive between the posts. Most two-car garages are hard pressed to have 12ft of width to dedicate to one of the car bays, as 10ft is a normal bay width. That leaves the second bay really tight, with that lift post right where you want to open the car door. It also cramps the space available for cabinets and benches next to the lift, or even in the side of the bay that shares with the lift.
I did a plan of the new garage bay, and quickly decided that it will be at least 14ft wide if I want to install a lift. It will be open to the existing two-car garage on one side, allowing benches and cabinets on the outside wall only, none in between the bays at all.
The current design layout includes all the cabinets and benches. The front wall benches are about 30 inches deep, based on existing Lista steel drawer cabs as bases. The side wall cabinets and benches are 24 inches deep, and will have wood or laminate workbench tops. 24 Inches is the standard depth for kitchen cabinets, for reference, and makes it possible to use off-the-shelf laminate tops from places like Home Depot.
Overhead cabs are another issue, with 16 inch depth the target I have so far. These will be custom cabs anyway, 4 ft tall, to take advantage of the existing 10 foot ceiling and the 12 ft open ceiling in the new bay.
Still up for grabs: Floor finish, some plumbing stuff like floor drains, and lighting details.
Thoughts or knowledge on floor finishes are particularly appreciated, by the way. It needs to look great of course, smooth finish so it washes and squeegee's dry easily, survive the car tires and the roller jack and stands, and suffer through water abuse during car washing and potential chemical abuse from drips and spills. Candidates include polished and sealed white concrete, and go up to epoxy slurry coatings and link-together sections. Suggestions??
<strong>Jay,
Since you're in the planning stages, how about putting a pit in one of your garage bays?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The pit is a logistical problem and won't be allowed under most building codes anyway.
Problems:
-- Folks fall into them, so they need covers when not in use. Covers have to be strong enough to drive on, low enough to not trip on, etc.
-- Water falls into them, so they need a sump and a drain system or pump to keep them empty and dry.
-- Oil and other nasty car fluids end up in them, and those can't be allowed to fall into drain systems. So we end up with oily water separators and the like, and sumps that are wet all the time so they do some separating.
-- Exhaust fumes sink, so we end up with a pit full of noxious or even poisonous gas to walk down into.
After investigating some lifts for my new garage addition, I find that they typically require a 12ft ceiling where the top bar goes across. If you are only working on the 928 and other "short" cars, you can have a slight slope down from the center peak to the ends. If you have an SUV or something that has a longer/taller roofline, you will be limited in how your ceiling profile can be configured.
Similarly, you will need about 12ft of width to get the lift installed. The cars are maybe six feet wide, but the lifts are still 12ft outside width, That gives you about two feet on each side to open the door to get out of the car after you drive between the posts. Most two-car garages are hard pressed to have 12ft of width to dedicate to one of the car bays, as 10ft is a normal bay width. That leaves the second bay really tight, with that lift post right where you want to open the car door. It also cramps the space available for cabinets and benches next to the lift, or even in the side of the bay that shares with the lift.
I did a plan of the new garage bay, and quickly decided that it will be at least 14ft wide if I want to install a lift. It will be open to the existing two-car garage on one side, allowing benches and cabinets on the outside wall only, none in between the bays at all.
The current design layout includes all the cabinets and benches. The front wall benches are about 30 inches deep, based on existing Lista steel drawer cabs as bases. The side wall cabinets and benches are 24 inches deep, and will have wood or laminate workbench tops. 24 Inches is the standard depth for kitchen cabinets, for reference, and makes it possible to use off-the-shelf laminate tops from places like Home Depot.
Overhead cabs are another issue, with 16 inch depth the target I have so far. These will be custom cabs anyway, 4 ft tall, to take advantage of the existing 10 foot ceiling and the 12 ft open ceiling in the new bay.
Still up for grabs: Floor finish, some plumbing stuff like floor drains, and lighting details.
Thoughts or knowledge on floor finishes are particularly appreciated, by the way. It needs to look great of course, smooth finish so it washes and squeegee's dry easily, survive the car tires and the roller jack and stands, and suffer through water abuse during car washing and potential chemical abuse from drips and spills. Candidates include polished and sealed white concrete, and go up to epoxy slurry coatings and link-together sections. Suggestions??
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08-13-2002, 04:06 PM
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Dr Bob,
You must try this, for a floor solution. Plain old concrete stained any color you want and you could special order any stamp design you could dream up. I was thinking of a 928 with shark logo stamped into mine. Here a link.
<a href="http://www.concretesolutions.com/" target="_blank">http://www.concretesolutions.com/</a>
You must try this, for a floor solution. Plain old concrete stained any color you want and you could special order any stamp design you could dream up. I was thinking of a 928 with shark logo stamped into mine. Here a link.
<a href="http://www.concretesolutions.com/" target="_blank">http://www.concretesolutions.com/</a>
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Polymer concrete such as Shane referenced work well, but I am unfamiliar with any that are simply spray on, I think that is really a floor paint. The usual method for polymer concrete is slurry in a new pour, and are nothing like the various paints.
One that has been successful in Germany is:
<a href="http://www.silikalresins.com/Degadurpolymerconcrete.htm" target="_blank">http://www.silikalresins.com/Degadurpolymerconcrete.htm</a>
And the flooring systems on the same website w/ methyl-methacrylate and quartz base are tremendous- easily applied to existing clean concrete. The Army uses these for tank and helicopter bays where the compression is great enough to shatter epoxy paint. Mercedes and VW use it as well for resistance to industrial solvents, hydraulic fluid, etc. and it cleans easily.
Donald
One that has been successful in Germany is:
<a href="http://www.silikalresins.com/Degadurpolymerconcrete.htm" target="_blank">http://www.silikalresins.com/Degadurpolymerconcrete.htm</a>
And the flooring systems on the same website w/ methyl-methacrylate and quartz base are tremendous- easily applied to existing clean concrete. The Army uses these for tank and helicopter bays where the compression is great enough to shatter epoxy paint. Mercedes and VW use it as well for resistance to industrial solvents, hydraulic fluid, etc. and it cleans easily.
Donald
08-14-2002, 02:56 PM
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Jay:
Sorry for the delay, but I was hunting for the catalog that I had and wanted to give you valid info on lifts. I once considered one, so got catalog. The "Eagle Equipment" company has a complete selection of the lifts available and you can look for best price elsewhere if necessary..Call them for a free catalog at 1-800-336-2776. They also offer free shipping, which is a saving. I was looking at the MX-9 at the time for my one car garage. Good luck.
Sorry for the delay, but I was hunting for the catalog that I had and wanted to give you valid info on lifts. I once considered one, so got catalog. The "Eagle Equipment" company has a complete selection of the lifts available and you can look for best price elsewhere if necessary..Call them for a free catalog at 1-800-336-2776. They also offer free shipping, which is a saving. I was looking at the MX-9 at the time for my one car garage. Good luck.
08-14-2002, 07:12 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Shane:
<strong>Dr Bob,
You must try this, for a floor solution. Plain old concrete stained any color you want and you could special order any stamp design you could dream up. I was thinking of a 928 with shark logo stamped into mine. Here a link.
<a href="http://www.concretesolutions.com/" target="_blank">http://www.concretesolutions.com/</a>
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Cool stuff. For the garage floor, the pattern stampings would be less than ideal. But I do like the terrazo and granite stuff in a smooth floor finish. I guess I need to call those guys and get a local contractor recomendation.
Thanks for the tip!
<strong>Dr Bob,
You must try this, for a floor solution. Plain old concrete stained any color you want and you could special order any stamp design you could dream up. I was thinking of a 928 with shark logo stamped into mine. Here a link.
<a href="http://www.concretesolutions.com/" target="_blank">http://www.concretesolutions.com/</a>
</strong><hr></blockquote>Cool stuff. For the garage floor, the pattern stampings would be less than ideal. But I do like the terrazo and granite stuff in a smooth floor finish. I guess I need to call those guys and get a local contractor recomendation.
Thanks for the tip!
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This is really an interesting occurance; I am also strapped for room, and have been lightly investigating an in-home car lift. Most of the manufacturers are outrageously expensive. Some are in the ballpark, but still a bit high. Some or most of the lift makers in that list above, do not even show a price list.
I once saw a new four post lift, for $1799. Now, the best deal I can find, is in the back pages of a car sales rag, at a business in Indy. They list a 7,000 lb. capacity lift ( and a two post lift rated at 9,000 lb's ), for $1995, but they do say that freight is extra. I wonder if a group buy would lower the price at all, or how many would have to be bought for a price break.....
Should I look into this?
BTW, the spec's of the two post state this;
base plate model 9'3" tall (fits under 10' ceiling)
overhead model 11'10" tall (fits under 12' ceiling)
The four post sez it easily fits into a home garage, with no upper cylinder. It doesn't look to me to be a real high one, my ceiling is 9'4" high. Perfect for two Porsches, I'd think!
One of the sites mentioned above, mentioned a 110% price guarantee, I wonder how they (Northern) would react to this price? I can easily send them the add, heck, its been in this rag for months! I can even send them several dated adds!
<img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
I once saw a new four post lift, for $1799. Now, the best deal I can find, is in the back pages of a car sales rag, at a business in Indy. They list a 7,000 lb. capacity lift ( and a two post lift rated at 9,000 lb's ), for $1995, but they do say that freight is extra. I wonder if a group buy would lower the price at all, or how many would have to be bought for a price break.....
Should I look into this?
BTW, the spec's of the two post state this;
base plate model 9'3" tall (fits under 10' ceiling)
overhead model 11'10" tall (fits under 12' ceiling)
The four post sez it easily fits into a home garage, with no upper cylinder. It doesn't look to me to be a real high one, my ceiling is 9'4" high. Perfect for two Porsches, I'd think!
One of the sites mentioned above, mentioned a 110% price guarantee, I wonder how they (Northern) would react to this price? I can easily send them the add, heck, its been in this rag for months! I can even send them several dated adds!
<img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
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My brother-in-law had his patio done in that textured concrete stuff. His best friend did the work. They're out in the Riverside, CA area. Not sure where you're at, but if you're the Inland Empire I can get the contractor's info.
My brother-in-law had his patio done in that textured concrete stuff. His best friend did the work. They're out in the Riverside, CA area. Not sure where you're at, but if you're the Inland Empire I can get the contractor's info.