OE water pump? Jim Bailey.
10-03-2007, 02:30 PM
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Its like nothing is done to them to clean up after machining. This in itself doesn't cause problems but shows how much manufacturer cared to do good quality work.
Probably cleaning up the pumps after machining will add a chunk to the price; quality is usually a compromise between cost & market forces.
That is why I do a lot of my own spanner work because I fix/clean/improve things that are not essential to the job I am doing; but I would not want to pay by the hour for such extra work.
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10-03-2007, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill
..................and the casting mark that Porsche puts there.
10-03-2007, 07:47 PM
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OK ...Many professional auto repair shops and some parts wholesale salesmen prefer not to use / sell Laso pumps based on their experiences. Fact is they simply do not LOOK as good. Our rebuilder sent us 2 or 3 rebuilt Laso core pumps mixed in with all the many rebuilt OEM pumps and our guys missed it . I currently have one rebuilt Laso and one NEW laso on the shelf. As I have always maintained , I much prefer our rebuilt water pumps over ANY NEW water pump. Is a rebuilt Laso OK IF from our rebuilder? I think yes. BUT I much prefer not having to explain that to those many professional shops we supply who may have an anti-Laso bias. A large pecentage of our sales are to professional repair shops. The reason we have a $200 water pump core deposit is that we really want Porsche cores for rebuilding. Some customer especially overseas do not want to deal with core deposts or insist on a new pump so we have sold some new Laso units. On occasion we do run out of rebuilts as well. Once re-machined and rebuilt by OUR REBUILDER the Laso units should be fine. A new Laso if it does not leak upon installation should provide acceptable service. Since new pumps from Porsche are $700 or so the Laso is an alternative for those who feel the need a new pump and that is also what you see advertised everywhere on the internet. We strongly recommend our rebuilt OEM pumps and that is what we shall be selling for as long as we can... For those who got a Laso pump from us , The warranty is extended to be unlimited years and miles with replacement with a OEM rebuilt. Any other issues or questions please feel free to give me a call. When Mark Anderson needs a water pump his engine gets a rebuilt one !
10-03-2007, 09:46 PM
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Jim, well said
I went through the fiasco of a Chinese knock off. Then considered a LASO. Emailed Germany to ask LASO about the fit of the impeller to the shaft and failure rate. They could not or would not give me in their reply a failure rate for new pumps. They only said it is within industry standards. And that the fit was pressed along with a "special adhesive".
Purchased a rebuilt pump from Jim and 928 inter. Put it on last week. Drove my Shark on a fun run thru the mountains of VA at Frenzy 11. No problems.
All my pumps will now come from Jim and 928 inter.
BIG AL from VA
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I went through the fiasco of a Chinese knock off. Then considered a LASO. Emailed Germany to ask LASO about the fit of the impeller to the shaft and failure rate. They could not or would not give me in their reply a failure rate for new pumps. They only said it is within industry standards. And that the fit was pressed along with a "special adhesive".
Purchased a rebuilt pump from Jim and 928 inter. Put it on last week. Drove my Shark on a fun run thru the mountains of VA at Frenzy 11. No problems.
All my pumps will now come from Jim and 928 inter.
BIG AL from VA
84 928S2 Euro twin distributor monster
10-03-2007, 09:57 PM
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Big Al,
Where did you get your so called "Chinese Knockoff"?
Was it Chinese or are you just speculating?
So far we only have Laso and Porsche units.
Any pictures or information you can share so we can spot one in future.
Thanks,
Roger
Where did you get your so called "Chinese Knockoff"?
Was it Chinese or are you just speculating?
So far we only have Laso and Porsche units.
Any pictures or information you can share so we can spot one in future.
Thanks,
Roger
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission?
George Layton March 2014928 Owners are ".....a secret sect of quietly assured Porsche pragmatists who in near anonymity appreciate the prodigious, easy going prowess of the 928."
10-03-2007, 10:23 PM
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Roger,
I showed the pump to Dave Roberts from 928 Specialists at the Frenzy 11. It has absolutly no casting numbers or any number of any kind anywhere on the pump. The casting is very rough. It does come with a metal impeller. How I know this is Chinese? Straight from the horses mouth. Before the failure I called the seller and he told me that it was from China but not to worry cause he has not had any complaints about the pump. (Where have we heard this from before?)
When I get back home I will take a picture of the pump and the failed impeller. And post it here.
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I showed the pump to Dave Roberts from 928 Specialists at the Frenzy 11. It has absolutly no casting numbers or any number of any kind anywhere on the pump. The casting is very rough. It does come with a metal impeller. How I know this is Chinese? Straight from the horses mouth. Before the failure I called the seller and he told me that it was from China but not to worry cause he has not had any complaints about the pump. (Where have we heard this from before?)
When I get back home I will take a picture of the pump and the failed impeller. And post it here.
Big AL from VA
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10-04-2007, 04:09 AM
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Marton, Who made the WP? Was anything wrong with the casting? Roger
928 int. accepted it as a core; I posted it to them before I ordered the rebuilt one.
So far as I remember the casting was OK, it was just that the WP seized.
I took some fotos, I emailed them to you.
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10-04-2007, 04:22 AM
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I got a Laso pump from 928 Intl last year and I did notice that the casting wasn't as nice as the original pump I removed from the car. It's probably a sand casting since that's the cheapest way to make stuff like that. The pump I got, fit fine and has had no leaks. The surfaces that mate to the block looked properly machined so I'm not going to worry about it.
10-04-2007, 11:49 AM
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The Laso pump is marked Laso and also in very big letters , MADE IN GERMANY . They very much want you to KNOW it was made in Germany. You could send a "cow pie" to China and they happily will make you a copy
10-04-2007, 07:12 PM
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FWIW, a few months back I ordered a water pump from 928SP to put in when I do my timing belt this Fall.
Based on Bill's pics, it's a Porsche core (top picture). The casting is very smooth, and the finish on the casting is smooth and consistent as well.
It has a plastic impeller.
I don't know if their supplier consistently provides them with Porsche cores, but it's what I got.
They'll be getting a good Porsche core back from me, BTW
Based on Bill's pics, it's a Porsche core (top picture). The casting is very smooth, and the finish on the casting is smooth and consistent as well.
It has a plastic impeller.
I don't know if their supplier consistently provides them with Porsche cores, but it's what I got.
They'll be getting a good Porsche core back from me, BTW
10-04-2007, 09:33 PM
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Drawing my own conclusions - I usually do 8>)
Nothing wrong with the Laso casting apart from a rougher finish.
Not an issue as you cant see it anyway. Providing it is rebuilt by a reputable rebuilder it stand a good chance of being 100% the same as the Porsche casting.
Errka made a good point about the Porsche unit being smoother and why have 2 casting sets of tools.
It may be that Porsche owns the original tooling and that this requires Laso to make another set of casting tools to get around selling OEM direct to the market.
I am still not convinced about the new Laso pump. Why I don't know yet. Having read the archives I found a couple of cases where the Laso Pump had a problem. I also found Porsche pumps had problems. At circa $265 for a new pump and no core charge it makes an interesting alternative. The later pump comes with a new tensioner bolt ($44) and cross bracket ($10) as well as TDC indicator. Not a bad package.
As with anything its a crapshoot. However the odds are pretty much stacked in our favor.
Nothing wrong with the Laso casting apart from a rougher finish.
Not an issue as you cant see it anyway. Providing it is rebuilt by a reputable rebuilder it stand a good chance of being 100% the same as the Porsche casting.
Errka made a good point about the Porsche unit being smoother and why have 2 casting sets of tools.
It may be that Porsche owns the original tooling and that this requires Laso to make another set of casting tools to get around selling OEM direct to the market.
I am still not convinced about the new Laso pump. Why I don't know yet. Having read the archives I found a couple of cases where the Laso Pump had a problem. I also found Porsche pumps had problems. At circa $265 for a new pump and no core charge it makes an interesting alternative. The later pump comes with a new tensioner bolt ($44) and cross bracket ($10) as well as TDC indicator. Not a bad package.
As with anything its a crapshoot. However the odds are pretty much stacked in our favor.
10-05-2007, 05:17 PM
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Ok Rennlist Sharktoberfest SPECIAL ....New Laso aftermarket water pumps at the unheard of unbelievable low price of $240 ea...no core same day shipping BUT you must call me for the special and no sales to dealers......while we might not make any money on one we hope to make it up in volume This is a limited time offer , I expect that with the decline of the dollar lots of prices will be going UP !!!!! But right now $240 for an aftermarket Laso pump...ask for Jim !
This is a limited time offer , I expect that with the decline of the dollar lots of prices will be going UP !!!!! But right now $240 for an aftermarket Laso pump...ask for Jim !
