thoughts on this product???? (amsoil????? - RV)
09-26-2007, 08:03 PM
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thoughts on this product???? (amsoil????? - RV)
What are peoples thoughts on Amsoil products? Does anyone use them on there 928?? Are they all that there cracked out to be or are they just over priced products? I'm asking this because i was told to use some of there products and would like to make sure that i would make a good decision if i did. So any input and info would be great thanks.
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09-26-2007, 08:24 PM
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Yes Amway sells synthetic oil...which if as good as some say far exceeds anything needed in a street driven 928 . The car will do just fine on regular dinojuice.
09-27-2007, 01:41 AM
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Hi,
Amsoil's lubricants are not significantly "better" than any of their competitors when compared to similar specification products. This is despite their advertising hype!
They are deemed by many to be "Boutique" lubricants and overpriced
Amsoil as blenders purchase a significant amount of "stocks" from ExxonMobil
Due to their formulation (Group 4 synthetic range lubricants) many of their lubricants have not been Approved/Registered by/with the API, ACEA and most engine manufacturers. So we must "take their word" for their quality/performance test results and believe such statements as "Meets" or "Exceeds" certain specifications or quality standards. Many engine manufacturers actually disapprove of lubricants from blenders who use the words "meets", "exceeds", or "recommended for....." but are "unregistered"
No Amsoil lubricant has ever had Porsche Approval to my knowledge but one product with a specific formulation has MB Approval (European Car Formula 5w-40 - (AFL))
Due to their composition many Amsoil engine lubricants tend to thicken with use - this is not a desirable result in modern engines due then to the tendency to cause ring/piston deposits
As Jim B said they will work in a street 928 - the one noted above is suitable but it is not as "robust" as some other 5w-40 synthetics
IMHO there are many comparable and some significantly better lubricants available - some at a much cheaper price too!
You don't always get what you pay for!
I don't work for or have any special relationship with any Oil Company. I use Castrol, Shell and Mobil products according to the application
Regards
Amsoil's lubricants are not significantly "better" than any of their competitors when compared to similar specification products. This is despite their advertising hype!
They are deemed by many to be "Boutique" lubricants and overpriced
Amsoil as blenders purchase a significant amount of "stocks" from ExxonMobil
Due to their formulation (Group 4 synthetic range lubricants) many of their lubricants have not been Approved/Registered by/with the API, ACEA and most engine manufacturers. So we must "take their word" for their quality/performance test results and believe such statements as "Meets" or "Exceeds" certain specifications or quality standards. Many engine manufacturers actually disapprove of lubricants from blenders who use the words "meets", "exceeds", or "recommended for....." but are "unregistered"
No Amsoil lubricant has ever had Porsche Approval to my knowledge but one product with a specific formulation has MB Approval (European Car Formula 5w-40 - (AFL))
Due to their composition many Amsoil engine lubricants tend to thicken with use - this is not a desirable result in modern engines due then to the tendency to cause ring/piston deposits
As Jim B said they will work in a street 928 - the one noted above is suitable but it is not as "robust" as some other 5w-40 synthetics
IMHO there are many comparable and some significantly better lubricants available - some at a much cheaper price too!
You don't always get what you pay for!
I don't work for or have any special relationship with any Oil Company. I use Castrol, Shell and Mobil products according to the application
Regards
Last edited by Doug Hillary; 09-27-2007 at 01:42 AM. Reason: Greater accuracy
09-27-2007, 11:44 AM
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Amsoil has been proven to work with 928s and has extended the life of the Holbert engine in extreme racing conditions. I dont selll the stuff, just use it as insurance.
Part of the reason it may work so good, is that it may not foam and be more stable than the "other oils" out there. Also, there is proof that oils like mobil 1 get thinnner at high tempuratures. this may not be an issue for street applications, but in racing or DEing, it is essential, especially with our known oiling issues at high rpms.
certifications by porsche are political, and i wouldnt hold them in too high of regard. BMW also recomments Cheveron gas!
On my BMW 328, Ive used rotton robby, union 76 and anything else that is cheap and by the way, i use regular instead of the premium recomended! 100,000miles on it and havent done anything but an oil change to the car!
One of the things that a better oil like Amsoil can give you, is longevity. I once saw a study that showed good synthetics, working better after 3000miles than brand new dyno oil or Mobil 1. I think it was redline. for me, the kendal racing oil was changed every weekend. with some of this information,i paid 3x more and then changed it 3x longer time periods.
Also, my oil (amsoil) has been analysed and was in perfect shape after 3 racing weekends and 1-2000miles of street driving. It in NOWAY was "thickened" with use!
one thing that is universal here, is that oil pressure is pretty low using mobil 1 or other cheap oils. (certified by porsche or not) . this could be an issue for our cars in hot running conditions.
Dont take my word for it, i only have more racing miles on a 928 in the last 6 years on the same engine than ANYONE! Im just passing this real world experience along to group.
mk
Part of the reason it may work so good, is that it may not foam and be more stable than the "other oils" out there. Also, there is proof that oils like mobil 1 get thinnner at high tempuratures. this may not be an issue for street applications, but in racing or DEing, it is essential, especially with our known oiling issues at high rpms.
certifications by porsche are political, and i wouldnt hold them in too high of regard. BMW also recomments Cheveron gas!
On my BMW 328, Ive used rotton robby, union 76 and anything else that is cheap and by the way, i use regular instead of the premium recomended! 100,000miles on it and havent done anything but an oil change to the car!One of the things that a better oil like Amsoil can give you, is longevity. I once saw a study that showed good synthetics, working better after 3000miles than brand new dyno oil or Mobil 1. I think it was redline. for me, the kendal racing oil was changed every weekend. with some of this information,i paid 3x more and then changed it 3x longer time periods.
Also, my oil (amsoil) has been analysed and was in perfect shape after 3 racing weekends and 1-2000miles of street driving. It in NOWAY was "thickened" with use!
one thing that is universal here, is that oil pressure is pretty low using mobil 1 or other cheap oils. (certified by porsche or not) . this could be an issue for our cars in hot running conditions.
Dont take my word for it, i only have more racing miles on a 928 in the last 6 years on the same engine than ANYONE! Im just passing this real world experience along to group.
mk
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09-27-2007, 12:12 PM
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09-27-2007, 12:41 PM
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Amsoil has been proven to work with 928s and has extended the life of the Holbert engine in extreme racing conditions. I dont selll the stuff, just use it as insurance.
Part of the reason it may work so good, is that it may not foam and be more stable than the "other oils" out there. Also, there is proof that oils like mobil 1 get thinnner at high tempuratures. this may not be an issue for street applications, but in racing or DEing, it is essential, especially with our known oiling issues at high rpms.
certifications by porsche are political, and i wouldnt hold them in too high of regard. BMW also recomments Cheveron gas! On my BMW 328, Ive used rotton robby, union 76 and anything else that is cheap and by the way, i use regular instead of the premium recomended! 100,000miles on it and havent done anything but an oil change to the car!
One of the things that a better oil like Amsoil can give you, is longevity. I once saw a study that showed good synthetics, working better after 3000miles than brand new dyno oil or Mobil 1. I think it was redline. for me, the kendal racing oil was changed every weekend. with some of this information,i paid 3x more and then changed it 3x longer time periods.
Also, my oil (amsoil) has been analysed and was in perfect shape after 3 racing weekends and 1-2000miles of street driving. It in NOWAY was "thickened" with use!
one thing that is universal here, is that oil pressure is pretty low using mobil 1 or other cheap oils. (certified by porsche or not) . this could be an issue for our cars in hot running conditions.
Dont take my word for it, i only have more racing miles on a 928 in the last 6 years on the same engine than ANYONE! Im just passing this real world experience along to group.
mk
Part of the reason it may work so good, is that it may not foam and be more stable than the "other oils" out there. Also, there is proof that oils like mobil 1 get thinnner at high tempuratures. this may not be an issue for street applications, but in racing or DEing, it is essential, especially with our known oiling issues at high rpms.
certifications by porsche are political, and i wouldnt hold them in too high of regard. BMW also recomments Cheveron gas!
On my BMW 328, Ive used rotton robby, union 76 and anything else that is cheap and by the way, i use regular instead of the premium recomended! 100,000miles on it and havent done anything but an oil change to the car!One of the things that a better oil like Amsoil can give you, is longevity. I once saw a study that showed good synthetics, working better after 3000miles than brand new dyno oil or Mobil 1. I think it was redline. for me, the kendal racing oil was changed every weekend. with some of this information,i paid 3x more and then changed it 3x longer time periods.
Also, my oil (amsoil) has been analysed and was in perfect shape after 3 racing weekends and 1-2000miles of street driving. It in NOWAY was "thickened" with use!
one thing that is universal here, is that oil pressure is pretty low using mobil 1 or other cheap oils. (certified by porsche or not) . this could be an issue for our cars in hot running conditions.
Dont take my word for it, i only have more racing miles on a 928 in the last 6 years on the same engine than ANYONE! Im just passing this real world experience along to group.
mk
09-27-2007, 04:25 PM
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The Holbert engine was used by NASA as a top secret test bed for their Thermo-Nuclear Hypo-Moly Lubricant with a 5 light year half life. At no time does any crank case component touch any other crank case component. All heat is absorbed and transferred to the cylinders in the form of pure energy. The oil fill tube and the oil drain plug are simply a direct pass through to pacify the unsuspecting maintenance provider. This was all acheived while the car sat in a high school shop building in Reno, NV for several years. It was not supposed to be returned to civilian life and consequently Mark has been the object of intense government surveillance ever since. Unfortunately they can not allow him to unleash the real power of the car so they must consistently sabotage Marks efforts enough to keep his performance from raising suspisions. I'm very concerned about the consequences of a possible tear down of the engine this winter and plan to be a long ways away at the time.
09-27-2007, 04:32 PM
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Hey Mark K. Are you sponsored by Amsoil? If not, you need to be. Someone needs to let them know of your tireless salesmanship over the last few years. I'd almost bet that you keep a small bottle of the stuff on your nightstand? 
09-27-2007, 05:10 PM
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Randy-- Searching isn't near the fun that baiting a hook with a big fat slow-moving 'which-oil' or maybe 'witch oil' worm can be. Somebody needs to start a thread about 928 Politics or the Religion of the V-8, and have a venturi discussion for desert. Start a collection to Get Hillary A Porsche. Something...