(OT) Is this your house Normy?
04-16-2003, 07:59 PM
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(OT) Is this your house Normy?
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Normy, When I saw this, I thought of you. Wouldn't it be nice though?
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Normy, When I saw this, I thought of you. Wouldn't it be nice though?
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04-16-2003, 08:39 PM
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I think that must be Tony's house! <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />
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I think that must be Tony's house! <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />
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04-16-2003, 10:57 PM
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Can't be Normy's house on that picture. He has a 747 in his driveway...
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04-16-2003, 10:59 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">So THAT'S what the new 928 looks like!! Figures. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Mid-engine, air-cooled!!!
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04-17-2003, 01:29 AM
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Naw, i wish i could say it was mine. I envy the guys that fly them, thats for sure.
I wonder how long his drive way is? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
I wonder how long his drive way is? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
04-18-2003, 10:29 PM
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OH!!!! Bite your tongue [fingers?]!
NOW...would I be seen in a silly F-15? NOT!
BUT...an F-22....different story! My favorite however is the A-10. I could have a lot of fun/raise a WHOLE LOT of hell with one of those!
No challenge- they check out guys/gals with only 250 flight hours in those things. I have about 7k the last time I did my logbook. Not enough challenge.
Which is only half tongue-in-cheek...you indeed need to be pretty good to handle a mach 2 fighter/bomber at 250 hours, but it isn't any where near as difficult as you might think. A person who can take a 928 or 911 or 944 and come in first or pretty close at a typical modern autocross probably has way more skill at what he is doing than the typical fighter pilot. Indeed, a "flash" plane like the F-15 is only a small portion of the equation: the better pilot in an average aircraft [or car] will always beat a weak pilot in a great plane [or car].
And the 747? Big ***** cat. Stable as can be, a Cessna 152 is far more of a challenge.
-That house in the background on the other hand has one feature that I'd KILL for: A two car garage!!!
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NOW...would I be seen in a silly F-15? NOT!
BUT...an F-22....different story! My favorite however is the A-10. I could have a lot of fun/raise a WHOLE LOT of hell with one of those!
No challenge- they check out guys/gals with only 250 flight hours in those things. I have about 7k the last time I did my logbook. Not enough challenge.
Which is only half tongue-in-cheek...you indeed need to be pretty good to handle a mach 2 fighter/bomber at 250 hours, but it isn't any where near as difficult as you might think. A person who can take a 928 or 911 or 944 and come in first or pretty close at a typical modern autocross probably has way more skill at what he is doing than the typical fighter pilot. Indeed, a "flash" plane like the F-15 is only a small portion of the equation: the better pilot in an average aircraft [or car] will always beat a weak pilot in a great plane [or car].
And the 747? Big ***** cat. Stable as can be, a Cessna 152 is far more of a challenge.
-That house in the background on the other hand has one feature that I'd KILL for: A two car garage!!!
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04-19-2003, 05:41 AM
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Question for the pilot Normy:
What kind of backup systems do these planes have, n case the hydraulics for the flaps fail? Is there still some mechanical linkage to some flaps, in case of an emergency? Or is it all fly by wire by now, and if the wire fails, well, than bad luck? Just curious...
When are they going to put airbags into planes? Just kidding...
What kind of backup systems do these planes have, n case the hydraulics for the flaps fail? Is there still some mechanical linkage to some flaps, in case of an emergency? Or is it all fly by wire by now, and if the wire fails, well, than bad luck? Just curious...
When are they going to put airbags into planes? Just kidding...
04-19-2003, 06:37 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by ErnestSw:
<strong>So THAT'S what the new 928 looks like!! Figures.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Is that with the aero package, I think the wing are just a bit to much.. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />
<strong>So THAT'S what the new 928 looks like!! Figures.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Is that with the aero package, I think the wing are just a bit to much.. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />
04-19-2003, 10:06 AM
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Nicole- depends on the plane and manufacturer.
B747's have 4 independent hydraulic systems that are used to raise and lower the landing gear and move the control surfaces that actually maneuver the plane. The aircraft needs at least one system to maintain control- it is not possible to fly the plane without hydraulics. An Israeli 747 crashed into an apartment block in Amsterdam about 10 years ago when an engine literally broke off the plane, flipped over the top of the wing, and somehow managed to sever all the hydraulic lines. And a DC-10 crash landed in Soix City, Iowa around the same time when its center engine exploded and destroyed the hydraulics. The DC-10 managed to keep flying because the Captain, Al Haynes, figured out how to "steer" the plane using the throttles alone.
-The B727 that I used to fly, however, used hydraulically boosted contols- which means that it could indeed be flown manually, and I even had a chance to try it on a maintenance test flight. Needless to say, it was kind of heavy on the controls... a lot like driving a 928 with the power steering out.
The latest Airbus equipment use advanced fly-by-wire controls [Incidently, Porsche designed the cockpit of the A320 series aircraft] that control their hydraulic servos by electrical signals. I don't believe there is any backup should the electrics totally fail. The chances of all the electrics failing are pretty thin- its just not very likely.
On one or two instances of intense aeronautical boredom, I tried to fly the 727 with the throttles alone [don't tell the FAA!]. I was surprised to discover that it is not hard at all- so I suspect that if the Airbus [or any other plane for that matter] had a catastrophic failure of this sort, that the crew most likely would be able to sucessfully land the plane using this technique. Remember, the pilots are always the first ones on the scene of any accident~
ONE point to remember: The most dangerous portion of any trip by airplane is the drive to the airport!
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B747's have 4 independent hydraulic systems that are used to raise and lower the landing gear and move the control surfaces that actually maneuver the plane. The aircraft needs at least one system to maintain control- it is not possible to fly the plane without hydraulics. An Israeli 747 crashed into an apartment block in Amsterdam about 10 years ago when an engine literally broke off the plane, flipped over the top of the wing, and somehow managed to sever all the hydraulic lines. And a DC-10 crash landed in Soix City, Iowa around the same time when its center engine exploded and destroyed the hydraulics. The DC-10 managed to keep flying because the Captain, Al Haynes, figured out how to "steer" the plane using the throttles alone.
-The B727 that I used to fly, however, used hydraulically boosted contols- which means that it could indeed be flown manually, and I even had a chance to try it on a maintenance test flight. Needless to say, it was kind of heavy on the controls... a lot like driving a 928 with the power steering out.
The latest Airbus equipment use advanced fly-by-wire controls [Incidently, Porsche designed the cockpit of the A320 series aircraft] that control their hydraulic servos by electrical signals. I don't believe there is any backup should the electrics totally fail. The chances of all the electrics failing are pretty thin- its just not very likely.
On one or two instances of intense aeronautical boredom, I tried to fly the 727 with the throttles alone [don't tell the FAA!]. I was surprised to discover that it is not hard at all- so I suspect that if the Airbus [or any other plane for that matter] had a catastrophic failure of this sort, that the crew most likely would be able to sucessfully land the plane using this technique. Remember, the pilots are always the first ones on the scene of any accident~
ONE point to remember: The most dangerous portion of any trip by airplane is the drive to the airport!
N!
04-19-2003, 11:19 AM
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Hey Normy. Not all Airbus aircraft are Fly-by-Wire! The A-300-600 that I have been flying for 12 years and over 6000 hours in it for American is all old fashion cable/rod hydraulics, just like your 747. We also practice the "Soix City Dance" (loss of all hydraulics) only in the simulator, and believe me, its not easy to get it on the runway safely in ideal conditions. Throw in a little weather, snow, ice, cross winds and low visibility and you are looking at disaster plain and simple.
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In testimony to Normy's comment on skill levels: I attended the US Naval Academy and have kept in contact with classmates who now fly all types of military aircrafts, including fighter jets. Those who could parallel park (less than 50%) had fast/spirited driving skills ranging from poor to mediocre, despite PLENTY of opportunity to learn and improve using my car, or their own!!!!
No reflection on Normy and many others of course. Just illustrating that a good (there shouldn't be another kind) jet fighter pilot isn't necessarily a better than average driver. But I have feeling the reverse is true. Wouldn't you agree Normy
No reflection on Normy and many others of course. Just illustrating that a good (there shouldn't be another kind) jet fighter pilot isn't necessarily a better than average driver. But I have feeling the reverse is true. Wouldn't you agree Normy