The SCAT stroker cranks that DEVEK markets and sells are NOT THE SAME AS OTHER suppliers are currently offering! DEVEK stroker cranks are not copies of the standard 5.0 liter cranks, nor are they the same as the MOLEX cranks that have been sold by others in the past. DEVEK has built more stroker engines than any other supplier in the world and our crank design reflects this knowledge. Our success speaks for itself.

Although the cranks are made by the same manufacturer, they are not the same as our cranks. There is only one DEVEK stroker crank and it is sold by us!

Our quantity order is the largest ever, and we are now able to offer the cranks at $2850 plus shipping. And a $950 (33%) deposit holds the crank for you, there are only a few cranks left on this order at this price. Everyone who has a crank on order will receive this special pricing.

Group purchases will receive an additional discount...... one check, one shipping address, 3+ cranks...call for details.

Take advantage of the situation now....

Marc
DEVEK

 

Hmmm - your first post to this forum is to sell something?

Tastes like SPAM to me - but for the fact that you are a Rennlist Sponsor.

Hail and well met, Marc@DEVEK!

 

There was a post here on the list last week (3-3-02) that made reference to purchasing SCAT cranks directly from the manufacturer to save some cash as opposed to buying a more expensive crank from another source (name not given...possibly Devek) I gather from Marc's post that there is the SCAT designed SCAT crank for the 928 engine (a copy of the original?) and the DEVEK designed SCAT crank for the 928 engine (an improvement on the original?). It may be good for us to realize that there IS A DIFFERENCE.....therefore, a slight price difference. $2600 or $2850, which one would you want?
.....can I have a free crank now <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />
Howza'bout 5 stars too while your at it! <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />


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I have a thought here....

If SCAT is making the Cranks...

And the Cranks have the same rod and main journal sizes....

And the same strokes....

And they come balanced...

And they are made of the same material....

What IS the difference???

Inquiring minds must know.

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There could be some differences such as knife edged counter weights for less windage or lighting to keep the max rpm as high as poss. for a stroker or drilled differently for better oiling. Personally, I would pay the extra $$ (which is little in respect to the total cost of a stroker build-up) to have a well know Porsche reseller/ designer to stand behind it. Would you be willing to use an Acme brand timing belt knowing what the result could be...just to save 10 bucks?

Just my thoughts

 

I agree with you Eric.

As with probably anything, there are 2 sides to every issue.

I have done a small amount of research on this topic...and have probably already developed an opinion on this. I'd be glad to share this with you off list if you like.

Best Regards-

 

DEVEK has been in the stroker buinsess for over 12 years with the first MOLEX cranks went to Bob DeVore...the "DEV" in DEVEK...which he promptly broke and we know why. Bob broke a few and our cranks design reflects the learning curve. I since have learned quite a bit and the cranks reflect these differences and SCAT does make two cranks...one for general porsches and one for us. Eric is right, there are subtle differences.

And now for the obnoxious shameless salespitch....buy one and you too will know...

 

I think that the one version is a copy of the regular 928 crank, with the addition of being driled differently for better oiling. The Devek version has some differences that I think include a differently designed, more advanced, counterweight system. I don't know if the counter weights are knife edged or bull-nosed, but the design difference would be more than just that.

 

I have it from a good source that Scat sell more strocker cranks to 928 International than all the other vendors combined.

Moreover, Mark A. races his 928 in the Speedvision GT series and it has held up well. YMMV.

Personally, I think if you want to sell a product on this or any other BBS, you should place it as a classified ad. Also, I think it's in rather poor taste to put down the products sold by other vendors. I can easily put down a product I bought from one of the 928 vendors which turned out to be defective. Especially since that vendor didn't stand behind the product that they alone sold (sell). However, I will only mention what occured to me if someone else brings it up. The vendor in question knows what I'm referring to, and has stayed noticeably silent when the topic has come up, (which it has on this and other sites).

Lastly, I'm rather leary of a "Hard Sell". YMMV.

 

Ed, I am curious how 928Intl does this since they said this is the first time in something like over 2 years that they have bought stroker cranks. Just wondering is all, do they buy THAT many cranks every couple of years to make them the guys who buy the most stroker cranks from Scat?

 

Good points Ed, though as a sponsor of Rennlist, I think Marc's company is well within ethical boundaries by discussing some of their products here.

As a matter of fact, I'd like to see some products profiled by 928 Specialists here as well on occasion - they also being a Rennlist sponsor.

Makes me wonder why 928 International, who has benefited greatly from the existence of Rennlist over the years, isn't also a sponsor.

I'm a supporter of the 'No Free Lunch' business model.

 

I suspect that more has been read into the original post than Marc actually typed.

I don't see where he is slamming anybody else's product. He does point out that the Devek crank is different from the cranks offered by the nebulous "others". He further states that Devek has built more stroker engines than anybody else.

No mention of who the competition is on the cranks, althouth we know (independently) who they are from recent rennlist posts. The mention of Molex cranks is "...sold by others in the past." Not really implying that the Molex crank is what others are currently offering, is it?


My global feel on this is similar to Randy's. I think that there should be more than a little allowance made for Rennlist sponsors. Marc's post is in good taste, and while mentioning that there are others available, he opines that theirs is better. What interests me most is that there is a little bit of competition in the marketplace on these specialty products. A 5% savings on an expensive part is nothing to sneeze at.

Meanwhile, the stroker market includes a lot more than the crank. The other $$ items are the pistons and rods, plus the headwork needed to take advantage of the extra cubes. I suspect that this is where Devek might have an edge, with all that experience in headwork, cams, and such. The Devek stroker 'White Car' is a daily driver, high-speed open road racer. Mark Anderson's race car is a Speedvision regular. Which car is a bigger endorsement of the stroker crank? Hard to tell, as both are successful at what they do.


Want to keep competitive pricing on the stuff we buy? Support your vendors. I'm on the customer lists at the Big Three, about evenly spread. It's worth my while to keep all of them in business, and it turns out that each has a strength that I can take advantage of.

I just can't justify a stroker street car right now... Wish I could! All of you 6+ liter guys will be passing me by on the crowded L.A. freeways. Meanwhile, I need to improve my driving skills enough to take advantage of the throttle and brakes I already have. Maybe in another 200k or so when the current mill gets a little tired. At my current driving rate, that will be when I'm well into my eighties... darn!


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Sorry in advance...but I am skeptical at best regarding the DEVEK shameless advertisement and claims thereto.

Let me point a few fingers if you will.

First - this web board has been around for ~6 months - and yet this is the first time we hear from Marc. Granted, the 'stroker crank' is big news...but then again there are plenty of other mentions for additional items (like, oh, maybe radiators?). I find it curious that only after it was announced that a competitor of DEVEK's had actually placed an order for the 'stroker cranks' that DEVEK now advertises that they will help us owners out at a 'reduced' price. Gotta love Capitalism. Anyone wonder why DEVEK didn't have some on the shelf? After all, with 27+ stroker cranks to date, and being advertised as available in their catalog - wouldn't one think he/she could pick up the phone and have one on their doorstep in a week or so?

Second - DEVEK claims to have supplied some 27+ stroker crank units to date per their catalog - yet according to Scat reps I've talked with - it has been over 2 years since DEVEK has placed an order. All of a sudden someone else places an order - and here comes DEVEK to the rescue. How convienent. Of the 27+ cranks supplied to date - where are they? Who has them? One would think that with that many out there, there would be a great deal of 'pride' showing by the owners. I know of only a handful, based on my own experience (Sterling Gee of this board is most likely be one of them, Rick Kong and Don Hanson are others that come to mind). I have been told by a reputable source that Don paid $26K for his engine to be built & installed by DEVEK). Still, the question still remains - why only after someone else announces an order does DEVEK arrive? Tooling up costs can be tremendous, that being said, it appears to me that DEVEK is just 'jumping on the bandwagon' of stroker crank builds here.

Third - About 3 weeks ago or so, a couple of TROLLS invaded the main Rennlist 928 email forum. There were comments along the lines of 'unreliability' and 'inability to run (due to pinging [i.e. early detonation])' regarding the use of DEVEK engines that were manufactured by DEVEK reps. I took it all in stride as I don't truly know. But then, I was informed that there was an owner at the 928 OCIC two years ago in Witchita who had a sign on his car announcing that his engine was worthless - as a result of a DEVEK 'stroker' modification. I do not know for certain if this is true - but rumour has it that the car was bought on the spot to limit the negative publicity. Another buyer even took litigation action for a a 'less than reliable motor DEVEK put together, and won. As Ed would say....YMMV here.

Fourth - the crank oil drilling issue has been used by both DEVEK and 928 International with success. Who came up with this idea? I don't know for certain - as both claim ownership - however, apparently it works - and both Cranks come with this feature. As such, longevity issues should be eaily addressed, regardless of which vendor you purchase your crankshaft from.

Last - to me, personally, I like to make a phone call and get an answer. In my experience, I have called more often than not to only get a message machine at the other end when I have called DEVEK. Emails have gone un-noticed, and when I ordered my catalog - it took over 3 months to arrive. This kind of attention to detail cannot be overlooked IMHO. Should I have questions in the future - I'll need answers - not a machine that'll take my message in hopes that the owner will see fit if/when to get back to me.

All in all, I guess Randy hit the nail on the head with his first post - 'tastes like spam to me, but I'll let it play through'.

I try to look at issues with an open mind, as I'm sure most us of us do. I seek knowledge and those with experience. IMHO - both the 'White Car' and Mark Andersons' car are classic cases of what works.

Based on the above, draw your own conclusions.

Best Regards- <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

 

[quote]Originally posted by Jay Wellwood:
<strong>Fourth - the crank oil drilling issue has been used by both DEVEK and 928 International with success. Who came up with this idea? I don't know for certain - as both claim ownership - however, apparently it works - and both Cranks come with this feature. As such, longevity issues should be eaily addressed, regardless of which vendor you purchase your crankshaft from.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know there are quite a few people suddenly building stroker motors. If you guys are planning to track them, I hope you aren't relying on just a redrilled crank, no matter who you got it from, to cure the oiling problems.

 

[quote] dr. Bob Wrote:Want to keep competitive pricing on the stuff we buy? Support your vendors. I'm on the customer lists at the Big Three, about evenly spread. It's worth my while to keep all of them in business, and it turns out that each has a strength that I can take advantage of.<hr></blockquote>


Exactly!! I have purchased product from all three along with other vendors of Porsche and high performance parts. Each has their strenghts.
Support who you can to keep competition alive.


[quote] Jay wrote:...it was announced that a competitor of DEVEK's had actually placed an order for the 'stroker cranks' that DEVEK now advertises that they will help us owners out at a 'reduced' price. Gotta love Capitalism<hr></blockquote>


Exactly, competition is always good for the consumer no matter what product.


[quote] Mike Wrote:If you guys are planning to track them, I hope you aren't relying on just a redrilled crank, no matter who you got it from, to cure the oiling problems. <hr></blockquote>


Drilled crank and Accusump for my non-stroked track car. Love to dry sump, but $$$. maybe when I do build a stroker in a few years.