928 Crank Thrust bearing, The Weakest Link
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Originally Posted by goodspeed928
Hi Steve,
RE-CHECKED mine, all good.
Getting the pich-bolt to 65lbs was a BICH!
RE-CHECKED mine, all good.
Getting the pich-bolt to 65lbs was a BICH!
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My flexplate has not moved since (I put in a rear cooler, and got rid of the banjo fittings). Before that, it would move after a week or two of regular driving.
Even after repeated dyno runs to 150mph, and road speeds of 100.
Even after repeated dyno runs to 150mph, and road speeds of 100.
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Originally Posted by worf928
I'm having difficulty in visualizing TBF for a 5-speed 928 due to:
The t/o bearing isn't "adjustable." I suppose that it could be improperly installed, but I would think the clutch assembly would disintegrate before TBF.
The same goes for riding the pedal. Assuming that the clutch assembly is correctly installed, when you depress the clutch pedal the release arm levers towards the rear and releases the pressure on the disc. The intermediate shaft slides freely in the guide tube, is clamped to the shaft in the TT and cannot move relative to the flywheel?
How can either of the above conditions cause forward pressure on the crank (assuming a correctly installed clutch assembly)? I know you know a hell of a lot more about this than I do....
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The t/o bearing isn't "adjustable." I suppose that it could be improperly installed, but I would think the clutch assembly would disintegrate before TBF.
The same goes for riding the pedal. Assuming that the clutch assembly is correctly installed, when you depress the clutch pedal the release arm levers towards the rear and releases the pressure on the disc. The intermediate shaft slides freely in the guide tube, is clamped to the shaft in the TT and cannot move relative to the flywheel?
How can either of the above conditions cause forward pressure on the crank (assuming a correctly installed clutch assembly)? I know you know a hell of a lot more about this than I do....
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An engine crank shaft has two thrust bearing surfaces, fore and aft.
If I remember correctly, it’s been a while since I have done a clutch on a 928. The dual mass clutch on a 928 is a pull to release system; the pressure plate is bolted to the flywheel and the flywheel is bolted to the engine crank. The fork / release lever is supported by the bell housing which is bolted to the engine and the release bearing is supported and pulled aft by the fork / release lever, the release bearing is fixed to the pressure plate diaphragm with a snap ring.
When you disengage the clutch the release bearing pulls the pressure plate diaphragm reward, there by pulling the crank shaft with it via the flywheel (which is bolted the pressure plate) against the crank shaft aft thrust bearing, also if the clutch push rod is not adjusted properly this can also disengage the clutch.
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Another thought, in 1997 theC5 corvettes were built with a rear mounted Transmission and a differential configuration with a torque tube vary similar to the 928 setup. Chevy has issue a similar 928 transmission, thrust bearing failure caution, torque tube installing bulletin.
I have never seen or heard of any thrust bearing failure in later models corvettes engines. I have one of two Corvettes that I sponsor, sitting in my shop for a transmission, I have never check the crank, tomorrow I will.
http://www.mastertechtrans.com/post/DSC01088%20(2).JPG
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I have never seen or heard of any thrust bearing failure in later models corvettes engines. I have one of two Corvettes that I sponsor, sitting in my shop for a transmission, I have never check the crank, tomorrow I will.
http://www.mastertechtrans.com/post/DSC01088%20(2).JPG
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Originally Posted by Steve Cattaneo
When you disengage the clutch the release bearing pulls the pressure plate diaphragm reward, there by pulling the crank shaft with it via the flywheel (which is bolted the pressure plate) against the crank shaft aft thrust bearing, also if the clutch push rod is not adjusted properly this can also disengage the clutch.
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Originally Posted by SharkSkin
Dave, the crank is pulled rearward, wearing the front thrust face of the bearing when riding the clutch.
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
In fact, Dennis's thrust bearing was more worn on the front face than the rear.
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Originally Posted by marc@DEVEK
Watch for high performance after market clutches....thrust bearing killers.
So is it purely the additional clamping force from the bigger springs in the aftermarket clutches that require a bionic left leg to push the clutch pedal down cause the problem?
Doesn't seem right to me.
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Originally Posted by Steve Cattaneo
also if the clutch push rod is not adjusted properly this can also disengage the clutch
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IIRC, this Corvette TBF problem was caused by heat expansion issues after a trans or TT replacement. I believe the tech bullentin called for the car to be run up to temp then allowed to cool off. The front clamping system for the driveshaft was then released and repositioned before being reclamped.
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[QUOTE=Steve Cattaneo]Another thought, in 1997 theC5 corvettes were built with a rear mounted Transmission and a differential configuration with a torque tube vary similar to the 928 setup. Chevy has issue a similar 928 transmission, thrust bearing failure caution, torque tube installing bulletin.
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[QUOTE=Steve Cattaneo]Another thought, in 1997 theC5 corvettes were built with a rear mounted Transmission and a differential configuration with a torque tube vary similar to the 928 setup. Chevy has issue a similar 928 transmission, thrust bearing failure caution, torque tube installing bulletin.
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Originally Posted by Sterling
I always wondered why they didnt have 2 thrust bearings in the 928 engine to spread the wear across double the surfaces....
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
In fact, Dennis's thrust bearing was more worn on the front face than the rear. Copper was exposed all the way around on the front face.
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Originally Posted by PorKen
My flexplate has not moved since (I put in a rear cooler, and got rid of the banjo fittings). Before that, it would move after a week or two of regular driving.
Even after repeated dyno runs to 150mph, and road speeds of 100.
Even after repeated dyno runs to 150mph, and road speeds of 100.
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Originally Posted by SharkSkin
It seems Dennis was pumping something akin to valve grinding compound through the system by the time it quit. I think it was mentioned in another thread that there was a Fram filter on the bypass circuit, to prevent unfiltered oil from getting in the galleys. What P/N Fram? Do you guys have the filters that were on the car when it quit?