928 fire New City NY- Anyone Here?
06-18-2007, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharkbody
Wow! Halon certainly eclipses the cost of dry chemical. Looks like about 225.00 for a 5 pounder. Oh well, at least they come in chrome. G
No, no no. George, you know that chrome is no good for you. You will have to get your new fire ext.'s painted Guards Red to match your car. Then put them in a box and let them roll around for a week or so before finaly letting them "rest" on the shelf for another two weks. It the only proper way to do it. 
06-18-2007, 01:46 PM
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Got new fuel lines in this spring. Read too many horror stories on Rennlist.
And that famous 928 in flames picture that keeps showing up now and then really motivated me.
The old lines were not that bad. Still semi-flexible.
Have heard some of the old lines become brittle like glass. A little flexing and you've got a
nice flame thrower in the engine bay.
Me likes the combustion to be contained inbetween piston top and cylinder walls.
And that famous 928 in flames picture that keeps showing up now and then really motivated me.
The old lines were not that bad. Still semi-flexible.
Have heard some of the old lines become brittle like glass. A little flexing and you've got a
nice flame thrower in the engine bay.
Me likes the combustion to be contained inbetween piston top and cylinder walls.
06-18-2007, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by heinrich
fuel lines ... yep, this is a stallion not a pig, those lines are old and are a service item.
I went with the 928sRus solution............new hose and EFI clamps as well as the 'U' piece.
Other than my OEM fittings were on there since new and took some effort to remove from the fuel rails the job was quite easy.
Peace of mind for many years to come.
06-18-2007, 02:33 PM
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More of the story from The Journal News:
50 firefighters and a half hour?!? - not sure if even 5 lbs of Halon would make a difference if the fire really gets raging.
Porsche, garage destroyed in fire
A gasoline-fed fire destroyed a car and a garage in a single-family home yesterday. The fire, reported about 11:30 a.m., was extinguished before it could extend to the attached two-story residence at 38 Yale Drive. Mike Graff, chief of the New City Volunteer Fire Department, said the homeowner had parked the Porsche 928 in the garage after taking it out for a ride, and it caught fire. At some point, the car's gas line ruptured, Graff said. "So it became a gasoline-fed fire, which was extremely hot and difficult to put out with just water," he said. It took about 50 firefighters a half-hour to extinguish the flames with water and then fire-suppressing foam. "The men did an incredible job," working in yesterday's heat, Graff said.
A gasoline-fed fire destroyed a car and a garage in a single-family home yesterday. The fire, reported about 11:30 a.m., was extinguished before it could extend to the attached two-story residence at 38 Yale Drive. Mike Graff, chief of the New City Volunteer Fire Department, said the homeowner had parked the Porsche 928 in the garage after taking it out for a ride, and it caught fire. At some point, the car's gas line ruptured, Graff said. "So it became a gasoline-fed fire, which was extremely hot and difficult to put out with just water," he said. It took about 50 firefighters a half-hour to extinguish the flames with water and then fire-suppressing foam. "The men did an incredible job," working in yesterday's heat, Graff said.
06-18-2007, 02:44 PM
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Yes - replace the fuel lines, carry an extinguisher - preferrably Halon. Also for best effectiveness have a way to get the Halon into the engine compartment without opening the hood! ...
If you can get halon into the closed engine compartment blanketing it top down you will need far less... If you use Halon you should be able to put out anything in the engine compartment with 2.5lbs. If you use the newer more green Halotron etc you will need about 5lb for the same firefighting capacity - but even 2.5lbs of Halotron should be enough to put out any engine compartment contained fire - if you can keep the hood fully shut and blanket the whole space.
However even if you have all this - in this instance it sounds like it might not have been enough - if this happens when you aren't there you'd need an automated detection & deployment system too....? tricky to not have it go off at inopportune moments... and how the heck do you test that it would go off when you really need it? (gets real expensive in crispy test sharks....)
The only saving grace is that the chance of a non-deliberate fire after you shutdown & walk away is really pretty small. Probably speaks as much to the dangers of your garage than the car (e.g. pilot lights etc).
Alan
If you can get halon into the closed engine compartment blanketing it top down you will need far less... If you use Halon you should be able to put out anything in the engine compartment with 2.5lbs. If you use the newer more green Halotron etc you will need about 5lb for the same firefighting capacity - but even 2.5lbs of Halotron should be enough to put out any engine compartment contained fire - if you can keep the hood fully shut and blanket the whole space.
However even if you have all this - in this instance it sounds like it might not have been enough - if this happens when you aren't there you'd need an automated detection & deployment system too....? tricky to not have it go off at inopportune moments... and how the heck do you test that it would go off when you really need it? (gets real expensive in crispy test sharks....)
The only saving grace is that the chance of a non-deliberate fire after you shutdown & walk away is really pretty small. Probably speaks as much to the dangers of your garage than the car (e.g. pilot lights etc).
Alan
06-18-2007, 03:08 PM
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One of our customers got badly burned on his hands and face when he quickly opened the hood and the fire erupted in his face ! so use care the gush of extra air allows the fire to flare up.
06-18-2007, 03:27 PM
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H - yes - but do both preventative maintenance & be prepared for fire protection so you aren't helpless (just ask Shane). There are other things that can cause a fire beyond just the fuel lines...
Just having a fire extinguisher is good but you have to get it at the source of the fire - that still leaves you with the 2 problems Jim notes:
1) You open the hood - you just made the fire worse by feeding it oxygen
2) The fire flares up right at your face & hands as you open the hood
Ideally prepare your solution to this problem before you ever need it
Alan
Just having a fire extinguisher is good but you have to get it at the source of the fire - that still leaves you with the 2 problems Jim notes:
1) You open the hood - you just made the fire worse by feeding it oxygen
2) The fire flares up right at your face & hands as you open the hood
Ideally prepare your solution to this problem before you ever need it
Alan
06-18-2007, 03:35 PM
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I've decided that my plan would be to immediately pull the fuel pump relay and rev the engine till it dies. Next, I would likely use my extinguisher up through the popped hood, and when used up, get naked and stuff my clothes into the engine bay.
06-18-2007, 03:41 PM
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I don't believe in claiming from insurance. If something bad happens, I come home and just put all the good parts onto one of my many "partial" 928's .....
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